The U may have this gen to itself for a while

#11GigaVoltsPosted 12/11/2012 2:20:41 PM
Eoin posted...
There is zero chance that both Sony and Microsoft will wait until 2014. One or both will launch before 2013 ends - and both is most likely by far.


Are you serious? it is possible they might wait till 2014. Why? If the Xbox really is delayed, then they might come with it at earliest holiday season(And then that would mean there could be a chance of hardware problems)

The PS4 on the other hand is a different story. Look at what the president of SCE said, it is too early for PS4. That isn't major reason though. The biggest reason by far is that the PS3 just started profiting them recently, and why release a console next year when a lot of good games would be coming out for the holidays? I could see both release in holiday 2013, but I have no problem seeing them release in spring/early 2014.

I'm excited about the PS4 though, hopefully it won't be over $349.

Probably will if it is significantly stronger than the Wii U
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#12DiscostewSMPosted 12/11/2012 2:21:20 PM
Eoin posted...
DiscostewSM posted...
Keep your crystal ball out. We'll be needing more predictions soon.

So you really (wrongly) believe that there is any chance at all that both Sony and Microsoft will wait until 2014? Or are you just randomly trying sarcasm out to see if it suits you?


Are you really trying to argue your opinion is fact?
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#13maximumbarmagePosted 12/11/2012 2:21:49 PM
Maybe the Wii U should worry more about catching up to PS3/360 before it starts looking any further ahead.
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#14nilesthebravePosted 12/11/2012 2:25:50 PM
Eoin posted...
DiscostewSM posted...
Keep your crystal ball out. We'll be needing more predictions soon.

So you really (wrongly) believe that there is any chance at all that both Sony and Microsoft will wait until 2014? Or are you just randomly trying sarcasm out to see if it suits you?


So you really(wrongly) believe that its a guarantee that both systems will be out before the end of 2013? Or are you just stupid as hell and assume you know what either of these companies are doing?
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#15EoinPosted 12/11/2012 2:39:45 PM
DiscostewSM posted...
Are you really trying to argue your opinion is fact?

No. My opinion is irrelevant. When the next consoles release is not subjective. It's objective, and it's fairly obvious.

Anyway, please consider the following:

1. Why do you think there are no Microsoft-published games scheduled for the Xbox 360 past the mid-way point of next year?

2. Same for Sony: no Sony-published games for the PS3 past the first half of next year - why do you think that is?

3. We've known developers have had Sony and Microsoft next-generation dev kits since early 2011. We've had the usual sketchy comments, the job advertisements referring to next generation machines, the sudden emptiness appearing ahead in terms of new games: it all points to late 2013 launches for Sony and Microsoft.

4. Whatever you want to think about the so-called leaked document from Microsoft, it's been very close to the reality so far, and it says Microsoft launches 2013. It gives Microsoft's estimation for a Sony launch as 2013 as well.

5. The Xbox 360 is now 7 years old. In 2013 it will be 8 years old. That's a tremendous amount of time. You think Microsoft will let it get to 9 years old?

6. The Wii U will have a one-Christmas head start on any console launched in 2013. It will have a two-Christmas head start on any console launched in 2014. Sony won't want that, and neither will Microsoft.

7. As well as not wanting to give Nintendo too much of a head start, neither Sony nor Microsoft will want to give the other of those a head start either.

8. Microsoft are aligning their entire product line around the Windows 8 UI. Their products now look the same on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone....with the 360 being the major exception (it looks close, but it's clearly not aligned). Microsoft want to align their products - it's a stated goal for them. It's why they're dropping the Messenger brand in favour of Skype. It's why their music service is called Xbox Music and their video service is called Xbox Video. Do you really think they'll wait until 2014 to bring out a properly aligned flagship console?

There are plenty of reasons for both Sony and Microsoft to launch in 2013. There is no reason for them to wait until 2014. Yet you think both will?
#16EoinPosted 12/11/2012 2:41:53 PM
nilesthebrave posted...
So you really(wrongly) believe that its a guarantee that both systems will be out before the end of 2013?

No, you're just not reading my posts properly. Look at what I am saying:

There is zero chance that both Sony and Microsoft will wait until 2014.

One of them might launch in 2014. Might. It could happen. It's a damn long shot, but it's not impossible.

Both of them won't. At least one of them will launch in 2013. Guaranteed.
#17MANTI5(Topic Creator)Posted 12/11/2012 2:45:02 PM
Eoin posted...
DiscostewSM posted...
Are you really trying to argue your opinion is fact?

No. My opinion is irrelevant. When the next consoles release is not subjective. It's objective, and it's fairly obvious.

Anyway, please consider the following:

1. Why do you think there are no Microsoft-published games scheduled for the Xbox 360 past the mid-way point of next year?

2. Same for Sony: no Sony-published games for the PS3 past the first half of next year - why do you think that is?

3. We've known developers have had Sony and Microsoft next-generation dev kits since early 2011. We've had the usual sketchy comments, the job advertisements referring to next generation machines, the sudden emptiness appearing ahead in terms of new games: it all points to late 2013 launches for Sony and Microsoft.

4. Whatever you want to think about the so-called leaked document from Microsoft, it's been very close to the reality so far, and it says Microsoft launches 2013. It gives Microsoft's estimation for a Sony launch as 2013 as well.

5. The Xbox 360 is now 7 years old. In 2013 it will be 8 years old. That's a tremendous amount of time. You think Microsoft will let it get to 9 years old?

6. The Wii U will have a one-Christmas head start on any console launched in 2013. It will have a two-Christmas head start on any console launched in 2014. Sony won't want that, and neither will Microsoft.

7. As well as not wanting to give Nintendo too much of a head start, neither Sony nor Microsoft will want to give the other of those a head start either.

8. Microsoft are aligning their entire product line around the Windows 8 UI. Their products now look the same on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone....with the 360 being the major exception (it looks close, but it's clearly not aligned). Microsoft want to align their products - it's a stated goal for them. It's why they're dropping the Messenger brand in favour of Skype. It's why their music service is called Xbox Music and their video service is called Xbox Video. Do you really think they'll wait until 2014 to bring out a properly aligned flagship console?

There are plenty of reasons for both Sony and Microsoft to launch in 2013. There is no reason for them to wait until 2014. Yet you think both will?


What they WANT has nothing to do with what they CAN release. If there's hardware issues delays will happen no matter what. This is a rumor and should be only seen as such but IF TRUE, it doesn't matter what would be in their best interest business-wise if there's no product available to release.
#18LordrvPosted 12/11/2012 2:50:01 PM
Why would Microsoft need to rush out a new console. To top what? Xbox 360 already tops Wii U.
#19EoinPosted 12/11/2012 2:50:04 PM
MANTI5 posted...
What they WANT has nothing to do with what they CAN release.

Which is why there is a possibility that one out of the two will (have to) wait until 2014 (because there is no other reason for a 2014 release). However the chances of that happening to either are very small, and the chances of it happening to both are pretty much non-existent.

MANTI5 posted...
If there's hardware issues delays will happen no matter what.

Right now there's vague rumours of a hardware issue for one of them, with no details specified - hardly cause to suggest that both will launch in 2014.

Bear in mind that both are probably planning near-simultaneous worldwide releases. If the yields are terrible, the logical choice isn't to postpone until 2014, it's to launch in one or two territories with a high percentage of the stock that they'd have wanted to launch with. This is exactly what Sony did in 2006 when they ran into shortages of Blu-ray lasers - they launched in North America and Japan and delayed launching in Europe until March 2007.
#20CptnStarFoxPosted 12/11/2012 2:52:47 PM
DiscostewSM posted...
Eoin posted...
DiscostewSM posted...
Keep your crystal ball out. We'll be needing more predictions soon.

So you really (wrongly) believe that there is any chance at all that both Sony and Microsoft will wait until 2014? Or are you just randomly trying sarcasm out to see if it suits you?


Are you really trying to argue your opinion is fact?


Amen. Some people are so delusional.
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