How many titles actually sell a million plus units in a given year?

#61Xeeh_BitzPosted 12/13/2012 8:38:12 PM
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Seriously stop blaming Gamestop. If the games were good in the first place then people wouldn't be trading them in. Removing Gamestop isn't going to magically make games sell over a million copies. Some people trade games in to make their next purchase cheaper. Used games have been around forever, I don't why everyone is complaining now. I don't even buy games used, games automatically go down in price dramatically after a couple of weeks (seriously I bought Dishonored for $25 on Amazon during Black Friday). But to think the game industry is failing solely because of Gamestop is quite stupid.


I'm not blaming Gamestop for causing developers to go under, I'm blaming Gamestop for taking money away from the developer with their used game sale practice. It's like a legal torrent site that charges you

The outcome is the same, you get a game, the developer gets no money

If the developers make more money, they could spend more money in developing the game, thus giving gamers a better experience for their buck and maybe they would not release so much damn DLC


Then tell me, how do you expect Gamestop to remain in business? If they only sold new games they wouldn't be in business right now


Gamestop reported a profit of 980 million from new sales.

I think 980 million profit is good enough, don't you think

Now lets look at the software publishers and developers

Down, down..

The people who actually make the product are not making profits, most are losing money while Gamestop is rocking the dough by selling used products (1.2 or 3 billion profit, more than new sales)

Seems legit right

but what about poor Gamestop, but hey.. when Software publishers decide to go strictly digital and stop selling products at Gamestop, Goodbye Gamestop, which is eventually going to happen.


You really have no idea how businesses work. Have you ever heard of the word "costs"? Do you know how much they have to pay ALL their employees? Costs of advertising their stores? Paying rent space? The amount of taxes they have to pay? And countless other costs?

Don't blame Gamestop for actually knowing how to run its business unlike some developers. Gamestop not being around wouldn't have stopped Curt Schillings' company from going under.


Do you have trouble understanding that 980 million profit is after those cost? That's from new sales.. an additional 1.3 billion is from used, so 2.1 billion profit

Gamestop will not be around in 10 years because physical games will no longer exist, it'll all be digital
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#62Xeeh_BitzPosted 12/13/2012 8:41:08 PM
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Soon as console companies such as MS/Nintendo/Sony switch over to that, honestly I'm surprised they have not switched yet because it generates more profit for everyone, minus Gamestop. LOL


And yet as soon as they do go all digital is the day we get the second video game crash. Going fully digital is by far the most foolish thing they can do.


I dunno, PC sales went up since things went digital

Digital sales are destroying physical copy sales

Ummm, doesn't seem to be causing any issues there

and how is it foolish to want your collection of games to be safely stored for you. If your console burns in a house fire, the old ways would mean your collection is lost

but with digital, you simply buy a new console and download your collection, along with your saved games

So how is that worse again? Because you don't get a shiny box to store in a cabinet? You're like the 2% that actually cares about that
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#63Baha05Posted 12/13/2012 8:42:54 PM
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I dunno, PC sales went up since things went digital

Digital sales are destroying physical copy sales

Ummm, doesn't seem to be causing any issues there

and how is it foolish to want your collection of games to be safely stored for you. If your console burns in a house fire, the old ways would mean your collection is lost

but with digital, you simply buy a new console and download your collection, along with your saved games

So how is that worse again? Because you don't get a shiny box to store in a cabinet? You're like the 2% that actually cares about that


Because PC is selling them cheaper then used prices.

Also it's worse for buyers because you get stuck with a game that you may or may not even like. You can't sell said game, you can't simply lend out a game so you as a buyer are screwed.
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""Gamestop will not be around in 10 years because physical games will no longer exist, it'll all be digital" Xeeh_Bitz
#64silverbulltPosted 12/13/2012 8:43:34 PM
I have been buying digital from XBL Games on Demand for 1 year now. Just last Friday i purchased DW 7 for $30. I could have driven to GS and got it for $25 including tax/gas.

I said F GameStop and handed MS my CC. Had a good night of sleep too! Yall who buy used games can thank me later for keeping your new games coming out!
#65Xeeh_BitzPosted 12/13/2012 8:46:46 PM
Baha05 posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
I dunno, PC sales went up since things went digital

Digital sales are destroying physical copy sales

Ummm, doesn't seem to be causing any issues there

and how is it foolish to want your collection of games to be safely stored for you. If your console burns in a house fire, the old ways would mean your collection is lost

but with digital, you simply buy a new console and download your collection, along with your saved games

So how is that worse again? Because you don't get a shiny box to store in a cabinet? You're like the 2% that actually cares about that


Because PC is selling them cheaper then used prices.

Also it's worse for buyers because you get stuck with a game that you may or may not even like. You can't sell said game, you can't simply lend out a game so you as a buyer are screwed.


and the publisher/developer gets half the money from the sale

More than what they get from Gamestop after box costs, distro, etc..

Digital is far better for the publisher alone, it removes a lot of extra costs and it provides a savings to the customer along with security that their product is backed up on a server some where in South Korea just waiting for them to redownload it

The only bad thing is, digital sales hurt jobs in the retail market for the employees of Gamestop, they're not the most intelligent people when it comes to games or a lot of other things so I'm sure they'll fit in at a Best Buy down the road
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#66cloudriveraPosted 12/13/2012 8:48:16 PM
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I'm not blaming Gamestop for causing developers to go under, I'm blaming Gamestop for taking money away from the developer with their used game sale practice. It's like a legal torrent site that charges you

The outcome is the same, you get a game, the developer gets no money

If the developers make more money, they could spend more money in developing the game, thus giving gamers a better experience for their buck and maybe they would not release so much damn DLC


Then tell me, how do you expect Gamestop to remain in business? If they only sold new games they wouldn't be in business right now


Gamestop reported a profit of 980 million from new sales.

I think 980 million profit is good enough, don't you think

Now lets look at the software publishers and developers

Down, down..

The people who actually make the product are not making profits, most are losing money while Gamestop is rocking the dough by selling used products (1.2 or 3 billion profit, more than new sales)

Seems legit right

but what about poor Gamestop, but hey.. when Software publishers decide to go strictly digital and stop selling products at Gamestop, Goodbye Gamestop, which is eventually going to happen.


You really have no idea how businesses work. Have you ever heard of the word "costs"? Do you know how much they have to pay ALL their employees? Costs of advertising their stores? Paying rent space? The amount of taxes they have to pay? And countless other costs?

Don't blame Gamestop for actually knowing how to run its business unlike some developers. Gamestop not being around wouldn't have stopped Curt Schillings' company from going under.


Do you have trouble understanding that 980 million profit is after those cost? That's from new sales.. an additional 1.3 billion is from used, so 2.1 billion profit

Gamestop will not be around in 10 years because physical games will no longer exist, it'll all be digital


If they are getting even more money from used games than newer ones then all the more they should go for it. Seriously they are smart for going that route. And there is no surprise you want an entire company to close down and for countless employees to lose their jobs all for your selfish reasons. You may be right, Gamestop might not be around 10 years from now, but don't expect games sales to be soaring high and for no developer to close its doors.
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#67Baha05Posted 12/13/2012 8:51:56 PM
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and the publisher/developer gets half the money from the sale

More than what they get from Gamestop after box costs, distro, etc..

Digital is far better for the publisher alone, it removes a lot of extra costs and it provides a savings to the customer along with security that their product is backed up on a server some where in South Korea just waiting for them to redownload it

The only bad thing is, digital sales hurt jobs in the retail market for the employees of Gamestop, they're not the most intelligent people when it comes to games or a lot of other things so I'm sure they'll fit in at a Best Buy down the road


So they get 5 bucks back from some sales. Ohh gooood.

Also good for developers, bad for customers as now we lost the ability to resell games, we also are at the mercy of paying full price for a digital copy that is tied to a system instead of being able to bring the game with you if you go somewhere. Hell the fact retail and you know manufactures are going to be majorly affected by such a change would do more harm then good.

Hell even the music industry hasn't gone full digital and that's the same industry that has sued people an absurd amount of money for downloading like 10 songs for free.
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"Gamestop will not be around in 10 years because physical games will no longer exist, it'll all be digital" Xeeh_Bitz
#68Xeeh_BitzPosted 12/13/2012 8:52:32 PM
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If they are getting even more money from used games than newer ones then all the more they should go for it. Seriously they are smart for going that route. And there is no surprise you want an entire company to close down and for countless employees to lose their jobs all for your selfish reasons. You may be right, Gamestop might not be around 10 years from now, but don't expect games sales to be soaring high and for no developer to close its doors.


Well, the only option is for developers to release low budget games for $60
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#69nilesthebravePosted 12/13/2012 8:55:24 PM
I don't want to read this whole topic to see if this has been said but...

If Gamestop was REALLY hurting the developers/publishers, then why oh why do you always see "Pre-order now and get this exclusive gun with a naked chick on the side" or various other special thing you get for preordering from Gamestop?

Gamestop doesn't make those bonuses, the developers make a deal with Gamestop to give those bonuses. If a company is hurting you so much that you're going out of business, you wouldn't deal with them in any way shape or form. I don't know why that isn't obvious.
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#70Baha05Posted 12/13/2012 8:57:03 PM
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Well, the only option is for developers to release low budget games for $60


Or you know, make games with a reasonable budget and still produce great games instead of making really flashy games with disappointing features.
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"Gamestop will not be around in 10 years because physical games will no longer exist, it'll all be digital" Xeeh_Bitz