Were the graphics for this console overstimated?

#51Xeeh_BitzPosted 12/19/2012 4:44:22 PM(edited)
Enigma149 posted...
mistermerk posted...
RedOrion posted...
mistermerk posted...
knightimex posted...
More so than ps3.

See trine 2.

More to come.

Believe it.


Less so than the PS3.

See Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tekken-tag-tournament-2-on-wii-u-face-off) and most other 3d big-budget third-party games.

It's easy to cherry-pick examples to paint the picture we want.

Having said that, TC, the graphics for the Wii U have been grossly overestimated. There were times this year and last where the fanboys spouted the the Wii U would do 360/Ps3 games in 1080p/60fps, or run equivalent to a high-end PC version (lol). Not only has that not been achieved, but the Wii U version of games isn't even up to par to the 360 version in most cases so far—I'd say that's an overestimation.

On a technical level, I doubt we'll ever see anything on the Wii U approach God of War:Ascensions, The Last of Us, or Halo 4. Artistically, there will be Wii U games that are gorgeous for the hardware they're on on, a la Galaxy 1/2, Xenoblade, etc.


This is grossly inaccurate.


How so? I'll wait.


Well, for one, numerous developers have said as much.

For another, look at the specs of the Wii U: it has 4x the RAM of the HD Twins. Tech breakdowns (the same tech breakdowns which revealed the CPU clock speed) revealed a GPU based on the Radeon HD 4730, a GPU about 4x as powerful as the one found in the Xbox 360, and a little over 2x as powerful as the one found in the PS3.

Now, there is one aspect the Wii U is weaker in: the CPU is slower. Of course, apparently, so is the Xbox 720's CPU (again, the leak was done by the same guy who first revealed the Wii U's CPU), so time will tell how much that actually matters.

Source for GPU: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html
Source for CPU: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/12/xbox-720-processor-clocked-at-1-6ghz/


Nice link for the Wii U

."Yes, this does mean that the Wii U, which is still a year away from market, is already spec'ed with a GPU that's decidedly last-generation."

Source for GPU
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html

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#52StealthlysPosted 12/19/2012 4:45:13 PM
As much as I love nintendo. Wii U uses hardware that is somewhat a bit powerful than last gen, but then again you are just paying for the tablet.
#53_Candice_Posted 12/19/2012 4:52:08 PM
Stealthlys posted...
As much as I love nintendo. Wii U uses hardware that is somewhat a bit powerful than last gen, but then again you are just paying for the tablet.


In that case shouldnt the tablet have been an addon to the Wii?
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#54angry_cowtipperPosted 12/19/2012 4:52:48 PM
Enigma149 posted...
mistermerk posted...
RedOrion posted...
mistermerk posted...
knightimex posted...
More so than ps3.

See trine 2.

More to come.

Believe it.


Less so than the PS3.

See Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tekken-tag-tournament-2-on-wii-u-face-off) and most other 3d big-budget third-party games.

It's easy to cherry-pick examples to paint the picture we want.

Having said that, TC, the graphics for the Wii U have been grossly overestimated. There were times this year and last where the fanboys spouted the the Wii U would do 360/Ps3 games in 1080p/60fps, or run equivalent to a high-end PC version (lol). Not only has that not been achieved, but the Wii U version of games isn't even up to par to the 360 version in most cases so far—I'd say that's an overestimation.

On a technical level, I doubt we'll ever see anything on the Wii U approach God of War:Ascensions, The Last of Us, or Halo 4. Artistically, there will be Wii U games that are gorgeous for the hardware they're on on, a la Galaxy 1/2, Xenoblade, etc.


This is grossly inaccurate.


How so? I'll wait.


Well, for one, numerous developers have said as much.

For another, look at the specs of the Wii U: it has 4x the RAM of the HD Twins. Tech breakdowns (the same tech breakdowns which revealed the CPU clock speed) revealed a GPU based on the Radeon HD 4730, a GPU about 4x as powerful as the one found in the Xbox 360, and a little over 2x as powerful as the one found in the PS3.

Now, there is one aspect the Wii U is weaker in: the CPU is slower. Of course, apparently, so is the Xbox 720's CPU (again, the leak was done by the same guy who first revealed the Wii U's CPU), so time will tell how much that actually matters.

Source for GPU: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html
Source for CPU: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/12/xbox-720-processor-clocked-at-1-6ghz/


No it doesn't. It has 1 GB available for games, a little less than twice as powerful as the 360's 512.
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#55StealthlysPosted 12/19/2012 4:57:06 PM
_Candice_ posted...
Stealthlys posted...
As much as I love nintendo. Wii U uses hardware that is somewhat a bit powerful than last gen, but then again you are just paying for the tablet.


In that case shouldnt the tablet have been an addon to the Wii?


The Wii U is going to have propane, and propane accessorys. Imagine those n64 add-ons like that ****ing expansion pak for dk64+MM. Or the Disc drive, except better. I don't know expect nintendo to pull up **** like back in the day.
#56DemonDog666Posted 12/19/2012 5:00:30 PM
angry_cowtipper posted...
No it doesn't. It has 1 GB available for games, a little less than twice as powerful as the 360's 512.


Actually it'd be 1024 not 1GB, they just rounded it.
#57Enigma149Posted 12/19/2012 5:03:51 PM
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
Nice link for the Wii U

."Yes, this does mean that the Wii U, which is still a year away from market, is already spec'ed with a GPU that's decidedly last-generation."

Source for GPU
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html


Last generation, in terms of GPUs...which have a new generation about once every year.
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#58maximumbarmagePosted 12/19/2012 5:14:33 PM
I can remember the truly pathetic hyperbole we got about the Wii U from Nintendo fans pre-release spouting such groundless fantasy land wishful thinking as first full HD CoD on consoles! 1080p 60fps Assassin's Creed 3 and Mass Effect 3! Best version of Arkham City by a mile! 3rd parties will instantly flock to make games for it instead of other companies consoles!

The reality? Same sub-HD CoD we've always gotten with the worst performance of any Black Ops 2 version by far. Nintendo fans now acting like ALMOST on par ports of AC3 and ME3 compared to PS360 is a victory that somehow justifies their console's price tag. The single WORST version of Arkham City available and a 2013 release schedule that is all but barren of anything resembling third party (Or even first party!) support.

The "graphics" on the console are, at best, on par with PS360, and even that much is debatable. There is simply no evidence that proves otherwise and anyone claiming the Wii U is more powerful needs to spend less time feasting on whatever fresh bull**** Reggie has served them up this week.
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#59JKatarnPosted 12/19/2012 5:45:23 PM
lazycomplife posted...
knightimex posted...
More so than ps3.

See trine 2.

More to come.

Believe it.


Yeah my PC barely runs Trine 2. I'm so glad I'm spending $350 for a machine that can finally run it at max settings. It's quite a feat for most hardware.


Not really...any moderately powerful mid-range gaming capable PC should be able to max it just fine - the GTX 460 machine in my sig runs it maxed out smoothly and it's a pretty standard i7/GTX 460 build. If you hadn't upgraded in 4-7 years I'd imagine you'd have problems maxing out most newer games.
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#60aether17Posted 12/19/2012 5:55:23 PM
Enigma149 posted...

Well, for one, numerous developers have said as much.

For another, look at the specs of the Wii U: it has 4x the RAM of the HD Twins. Tech breakdowns (the same tech breakdowns which revealed the CPU clock speed) revealed a GPU based on the Radeon HD 4730, a GPU about 4x as powerful as the one found in the Xbox 360, and a little over 2x as powerful as the one found in the PS3.

Now, there is one aspect the Wii U is weaker in: the CPU is slower. Of course, apparently, so is the Xbox 720's CPU (again, the leak was done by the same guy who first revealed the Wii U's CPU), so time will tell how much that actually matters.

Source for GPU: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html
Source for CPU: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/12/xbox-720-processor-clocked-at-1-6ghz/

Wii U CPU is clocked lower and from the "looks" of it, it has 3 PPC 750 cores. I'm not even sure if Marcan himself is 100% sure about that.

Technically it has 4x the RAM, but just over 2x available for games. 1GB for games, compared to less than 512 available for the PS360 (let's not forget the RAM reserved for the OS for those two, which isn't much)

And the GPU hasn't been confirmed just yet. It's been heavily rumored to be based of the RV770, (4830, 4850, 4870), while some may believe it to be of the RV740 (4770, based on the process, which is 40nm, matching what some see on the GPU itself). The GPU will be at least 2 times more capable (it will NOT go further down than that, this "2x" would be if Nintendo decided to pick the lower one of the possibilities). I believe it was Ideaman (I think that's his name) from NeoGaf who had a small look at a dev kit (non final) that stated it would be at LEAST 2x Xenos (would likely be more than that), but hasn't taken a look at the final dev kit. A GPU 2-4x more powerful than Xenos was what I was thinking.

Just for fun, here's a 4850 in action with a duo core CPU, which would perform better on Wii U due to the GPU being in a console environment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufJQ5qwMraU

Xeeh_Bitz posted...


Nice link for the Wii U

."Yes, this does mean that the Wii U, which is still a year away from market, is already spec'ed with a GPU that's decidedly last-generation."

Source for GPU
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-hd-rv770-gpu-wii,12941.html


It's a last generation Radeon, but it'll still crush the PS360 in terms of graphics. ;)