Valid criticisms.

#281sentoworfPosted 1/16/2013 12:48:19 AM
FlyinTonite posted...
I've had a gamefaqs account for like 7 years and have had 3 or 4 topics hit 100+ posts, do I just have to be a troll to get posts in my topics?


Or make a lulzy topic
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#282BuretsuPosted 1/16/2013 12:56:07 AM
FlyinTonite posted...
I've had a gamefaqs account for like 7 years and have had 3 or 4 topics hit 100+ posts, do I just have to be a troll to get posts in my topics?


Nah, you have to either claim that the A button fell off of your Gamepad, or make a topic praising the curtain closing feature when it comes to hiding porn. That'll get you to 500.
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#283DarthFloatyPosted 1/16/2013 12:57:38 AM
So then if the Wii U - weaker PS4720 system gap is Dreamcast to Xbox level (which, as I understand it, is many folds), then ports could be expected? And do people honestly think BOTH systems will be that much more powerful? If they are, they'd be too expensive to sell well IMO (specifically concern Xbox's Kinect 2.0, which I expect will be around $100+ to it's cost) and they Wii U would get ports anyway (at least for a good amount of time) based on outselling the other systems.

The reason I say both for the systems is that I imagine the devs would develop for the middle system and port to both the stronger and weaker if they all have the same style of architecture. The devs would only need to make one version of the game, and then easily port it and have it on 3 systems. And if the Wii U only added a small amount to their sales (15%? 20%), it be worth it for them. The devs WANT it on every system possible, and it seems to me it will be possible in this gen for games to reach more systems then ever, on average.

Sure, I might be wrong. But as far as I can see, this seem pretty logical based on what (little) we know so far.
#284DemonDog666(Topic Creator)Posted 1/16/2013 1:01:31 AM(edited)
DarthFloaty posted...
So then if the Wii U - weaker PS4720 system gap is Dreamcast to Xbox level (which, as I understand it, is many folds), then ports could be expected? And do people honestly think BOTH systems will be that much more powerful? If they are, they'd be too expensive to sell well IMO (specifically concern Xbox's Kinect 2.0, which I expect will be around $100+ to it's cost) and they Wii U would get ports anyway (at least for a good amount of time) based on outselling the other systems.

The reason I say both for the systems is that I imagine the devs would develop for the middle system and port to both the stronger and weaker if they all have the same style of architecture. The devs would only need to make one version of the game, and then easily port it and have it on 3 systems. And if the Wii U only added a small amount to their sales (15%? 20%), it be worth it for them. The devs WANT it on every system possible, and it seems to me it will be possible in this gen for games to reach more systems then ever, on average.

Sure, I might be wrong. But as far as I can see, this seem pretty logical based on what (little) we know so far.


WiiU costs about the same to make then ps3 without the tablet controller. Think about that.
#285DarthFloatyPosted 1/16/2013 1:10:00 AM
DemonDog666 posted...
DarthFloaty posted...
So then if the Wii U - weaker PS4720 system gap is Dreamcast to Xbox level (which, as I understand it, is many folds), then ports could be expected? And do people honestly think BOTH systems will be that much more powerful? If they are, they'd be too expensive to sell well IMO (specifically concern Xbox's Kinect 2.0, which I expect will be around $100+ to it's cost) and they Wii U would get ports anyway (at least for a good amount of time) based on outselling the other systems.

The reason I say both for the systems is that I imagine the devs would develop for the middle system and port to both the stronger and weaker if they all have the same style of architecture. The devs would only need to make one version of the game, and then easily port it and have it on 3 systems. And if the Wii U only added a small amount to their sales (15%? 20%), it be worth it for them. The devs WANT it on every system possible, and it seems to me it will be possible in this gen for games to reach more systems then ever, on average.

Sure, I might be wrong. But as far as I can see, this seem pretty logical based on what (little) we know so far.


WiiU costs about the same to make then ps3 without the tablet controller. Think about that.


I know that the Wii U would be sold at a loss without it's tablet controller, which costs about $100. And I know that Microsoft wants a Kinect that costs about as much or more than the Tablet, and possibly a projector (IIRC). And Sony is in a difficult financial situation, and cheaper systems historically sell better than more expensive ones. I don't find it reasonable to think that both systems will be made to overpower the Wii U by a gap beyond the Dreamcast to Xbox gap (which agaain, I'm pretty sure is many folds).

This is another topic that is pointless to debate. We both have logical reasons to believe what we do, and we both see the companies going in different directions forward. So I propose we call it good, wait and see what happens, and then talk about it then. :)
#286DemonDog666(Topic Creator)Posted 1/16/2013 1:13:29 AM
DarthFloaty posted...
I know that the Wii U would be sold at a loss without it's tablet controller, which costs about $100. And I know that Microsoft wants a Kinect that costs about as much or more than the Tablet, and possibly a projector (IIRC). And Sony is in a difficult financial situation, and cheaper systems historically sell better than more expensive ones. I don't find it reasonable to think that both systems will be made to overpower the Wii U by a gap beyond the Dreamcast to Xbox gap (which agaain, I'm pretty sure is many folds).

This is another topic that is pointless to debate. We both have logical reasons to believe what we do, and we both see the companies going in different directions forward. So I propose we call it good, wait and see what happens, and then talk about it then. :)


ps4/next xbox can outdo wiiU at 400 without selling at a loss... I don't think you understand just how much Nintendo cheaped out on wiiU and Nintendo is barely selling at a loss on basic model a
#287DarthFloatyPosted 1/16/2013 1:22:20 AM
DemonDog666 posted...
DarthFloaty posted...
I know that the Wii U would be sold at a loss without it's tablet controller, which costs about $100. And I know that Microsoft wants a Kinect that costs about as much or more than the Tablet, and possibly a projector (IIRC). And Sony is in a difficult financial situation, and cheaper systems historically sell better than more expensive ones. I don't find it reasonable to think that both systems will be made to overpower the Wii U by a gap beyond the Dreamcast to Xbox gap (which agaain, I'm pretty sure is many folds).

This is another topic that is pointless to debate. We both have logical reasons to believe what we do, and we both see the companies going in different directions forward. So I propose we call it good, wait and see what happens, and then talk about it then. :)


ps4/next xbox can outdo wiiU at 400 without selling at a loss... I don't think you understand just how much Nintendo cheaped out on wiiU and Nintendo is barely selling at a loss on basic model a


I understand the hardware just as well as you do. Just because I have a different opinion is no reason to assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

Again, the Xbox is close to the Wii in power. The Wii is something like x3-4 (IIRC) of the Gamecube, and the Gamecube is much stronger than the PS2. The PS2 is stronger than the Dreamcast overall. And the DC could likely have handled Xbox ports. Outdoing means nothing. Outdoing by several folds means nothing. It needs to be a gap beyond this:

Dream Cast -- PS2 ----- Gamecube ---- Xbox -- Wii

For both systems for it to be a huge enough gap that the Wii U won't be able to handle ports at all, like you're suggesting.

And lets not forget, the Wii is able to run MW3 from the 360, just lacking shaders & running at a significantly lower resolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn2KcH-fFw4

So even a gap that's only a bit under the Wii to 360 gap, ports could still work. And again, BOTH systems need to be so much stronger for it to be unlikely for the Wii U to get ports, like you think.

Again, not to offend, I'm done with this for now. It's an interesting debate, but I don't think there is much more to be said at this time. Someone else can take it up, or we can just wait. Waiting is what I'm going for.
#288squatch22Posted 1/16/2013 1:26:37 AM
HypocriticalDoggy at work again

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#289Lemmywinks13Posted 1/16/2013 1:34:11 AM
DemonDog666 posted...
DarthFloaty posted...
I know that the Wii U would be sold at a loss without it's tablet controller, which costs about $100. And I know that Microsoft wants a Kinect that costs about as much or more than the Tablet, and possibly a projector (IIRC). And Sony is in a difficult financial situation, and cheaper systems historically sell better than more expensive ones. I don't find it reasonable to think that both systems will be made to overpower the Wii U by a gap beyond the Dreamcast to Xbox gap (which agaain, I'm pretty sure is many folds).

This is another topic that is pointless to debate. We both have logical reasons to believe what we do, and we both see the companies going in different directions forward. So I propose we call it good, wait and see what happens, and then talk about it then. :)


ps4/next xbox can outdo wiiU at 400 without selling at a loss... I don't think you understand just how much Nintendo cheaped out on wiiU and Nintendo is barely selling at a loss on basic model a


Do you get paid for this? If not, where do you get this much passion to bash the Wii U 24/7?
#290DemonDog666(Topic Creator)Posted 1/16/2013 1:49:15 AM
DarthFloaty posted...
DemonDog666 posted...
DarthFloaty posted...
I know that the Wii U would be sold at a loss without it's tablet controller, which costs about $100. And I know that Microsoft wants a Kinect that costs about as much or more than the Tablet, and possibly a projector (IIRC). And Sony is in a difficult financial situation, and cheaper systems historically sell better than more expensive ones. I don't find it reasonable to think that both systems will be made to overpower the Wii U by a gap beyond the Dreamcast to Xbox gap (which agaain, I'm pretty sure is many folds).

This is another topic that is pointless to debate. We both have logical reasons to believe what we do, and we both see the companies going in different directions forward. So I propose we call it good, wait and see what happens, and then talk about it then. :)


ps4/next xbox can outdo wiiU at 400 without selling at a loss... I don't think you understand just how much Nintendo cheaped out on wiiU and Nintendo is barely selling at a loss on basic model a


I understand the hardware just as well as you do. Just because I have a different opinion is no reason to assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

Again, the Xbox is close to the Wii in power. The Wii is something like x3-4 (IIRC) of the Gamecube, and the Gamecube is much stronger than the PS2. The PS2 is stronger than the Dreamcast overall. And the DC could likely have handled Xbox ports. Outdoing means nothing. Outdoing by several folds means nothing. It needs to be a gap beyond this:

Dream Cast -- PS2 ----- Gamecube ---- Xbox -- Wii

For both systems for it to be a huge enough gap that the Wii U won't be able to handle ports at all, like you're suggesting.

And lets not forget, the Wii is able to run MW3 from the 360, just lacking shaders & running at a significantly lower resolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn2KcH-fFw4

So even a gap that's only a bit under the Wii to 360 gap, ports could still work. And again, BOTH systems need to be so much stronger for it to be unlikely for the Wii U to get ports, like you think.

Again, not to offend, I'm done with this for now. It's an interesting debate, but I don't think there is much more to be said at this time. Someone else can take it up, or we can just wait. Waiting is what I'm going for.


ps3 is insanely more powerful then ps2 in bench marks you get numbers in the hundreds times more and even on paper it's twice as powerful as 360, so needing to be 7 or 15x more powerful to beat wiiU isn't that hard when it's last gen.