I wish it only cost me $1 to convert my DVDs to Blue-Rays

#111Baha05Posted 1/26/2013 10:18:53 AM
excitebike64 posted...
What I find odd is that the complainers want us to somehow assume that when they bought games on the Wii they expected these games to be played on future hardware, when there was no evidence this was going to even happen in the first place.

So anyone buying Wii VC games before the Wii U was out, got their money's worth and now are just nitpicking with complaints. At least it is still possible to play these games on the WIi U. At least, it is a small fee to upgrade.

I do like the topic title, it may be somewhat extreme, but is the best comparison so far.


Well considering the Vita like exists and there is actually, you know money in VC I'm pretty sure it was safe to assume they would port to the next system.

And in reality it's not really possible to play on the Wii U OS, you have to play though an emulated Wii Mode and you are stuck with the Wii Mote + Classic controller.
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#112darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 12:00:44 PM
DifferentialEquation posted...
excitebike64 posted...
I'm not sure what all the games are available now, but mini emulators might need to be made for individual games at least sometimes because cart games had specs added to them that was possible with carts and not discs. NES games had different chip sets. You have the FX chips in SNES carts. Mega Man games for the Super Nintendo had added chip sets. I can see the emulators being tweaked for different games.

We have had emulators that work great (not perfect, but close enough and still far better than the Wii VC) available for 10+ years. It's not that big of an undertaking

Name ONE emulator that can emulate EVERY SINGLE VC GAME better than Wii VC (as in, no bugs, glitches or need to tinker with the emulator's options).
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#113darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 12:02:43 PM
DifferentialEquation posted...
Waggy17 posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
TC, my Bluray player upscales my DVDs for free.. Why pay $1 for the Wii U to upscale your VC games?


This has already been responded to several times.

Playing a DVD in a Blu-Ray player doesn't add anything to the experience. There is no additional service rendered. This is the same as the free transfer from Wii to Wii U.
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Unless Nintendo is incompetent, streaming to the gamepad should be purely an OS/hardware thing and not require any modification to the game code (and therefore no additional service rendered).

So the $1 is really to access a message board which is just idiotic.


Thank you for proving you don't know anything about VC.

For the millionth time, EACH GAME IS EMULATED INTERNALLY, BY THE GAME CODE ITSELF, FOR THE WII AND WII ONLY. As such, it can NOT ACCESS THE GAMEPAD IN ANY WAY.

This is done to make absolutely certain that every game they release will work, guaranteed.
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#114DifferentialEquationPosted 1/26/2013 12:03:52 PM
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
excitebike64 posted...
I'm not sure what all the games are available now, but mini emulators might need to be made for individual games at least sometimes because cart games had specs added to them that was possible with carts and not discs. NES games had different chip sets. You have the FX chips in SNES carts. Mega Man games for the Super Nintendo had added chip sets. I can see the emulators being tweaked for different games.

We have had emulators that work great (not perfect, but close enough and still far better than the Wii VC) available for 10+ years. It's not that big of an undertaking

Name ONE emulator that can emulate EVERY SINGLE VC GAME better than Wii VC (as in, no bugs, glitches or need to tinker with the emulator's options).


I've never run into any issues with ZSnes. I know it isn't perfect, but it's far better than Nintendo's crap.
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#115darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 12:04:22 PM
mjc0961 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...
Baha05 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...
Well, one, obviously games like N64 and SNES games don't work the exact same way, second, the VC games have the same format as apps such as Netflix, WiiWare, and even IOSes, so its safe to say that they run differently.


Well obviously each emulator would run different depending on the system but each game?


For example, Rare (the company) N64 games have a very odd prgramming where it is seemingly not possible to have it run via Virtual Console. I'm serious. DK64? Conker? Unplayable. And hackers got SUPERSTAR SAGA to run via VC.


This post right here is proof positive that AhnoldDood has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. I mean, we all knew it already anyway, but this one proves it definitively.

The reason why it's not possible to have Rare games like Conker on Nintendo's Virtual Console service is because Microsoft owns that IP now and they aren't sharing. It has f*** all to do with odd programming.


You're saying that Microsoft owns Donkey Kong?

Wow. That you have the nerve to call ANYONE anything negative is astounding.
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#116darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 12:06:38 PM
DifferentialEquation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
excitebike64 posted...
I'm not sure what all the games are available now, but mini emulators might need to be made for individual games at least sometimes because cart games had specs added to them that was possible with carts and not discs. NES games had different chip sets. You have the FX chips in SNES carts. Mega Man games for the Super Nintendo had added chip sets. I can see the emulators being tweaked for different games.

We have had emulators that work great (not perfect, but close enough and still far better than the Wii VC) available for 10+ years. It's not that big of an undertaking

Name ONE emulator that can emulate EVERY SINGLE VC GAME better than Wii VC (as in, no bugs, glitches or need to tinker with the emulator's options).


I've never run into any issues with ZSnes. I know it isn't perfect, but it's far better than Nintendo's crap.


No, it isn't. I have ZSNES, and every SNES game. Tinkering is required for almost half the library, and three quarters of it experiences bugs.

Wii VC is far superior on a game-by-game basis. Heck, just full-screen RENDERING makes Wii VC superior to ZSNES, especially when you're talking about a PC connected to a modern HDTV.
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#117DiscostewSMPosted 1/26/2013 12:07:04 PM
Baha05 posted...

And in reality it's not really possible to play on the Wii U OS, you have to play though an emulated Wii Mode and you are stuck with the Wii Mote + Classic controller.


Except, you know, Wii mode is not emulated.
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#118DifferentialEquationPosted 1/26/2013 12:11:14 PM
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Waggy17 posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
TC, my Bluray player upscales my DVDs for free.. Why pay $1 for the Wii U to upscale your VC games?


This has already been responded to several times.

Playing a DVD in a Blu-Ray player doesn't add anything to the experience. There is no additional service rendered. This is the same as the free transfer from Wii to Wii U.
.


Unless Nintendo is incompetent, streaming to the gamepad should be purely an OS/hardware thing and not require any modification to the game code (and therefore no additional service rendered).

So the $1 is really to access a message board which is just idiotic.


Thank you for proving you don't know anything about VC.

For the millionth time, EACH GAME IS EMULATED INTERNALLY, BY THE GAME CODE ITSELF, FOR THE WII AND WII ONLY. As such, it can NOT ACCESS THE GAMEPAD IN ANY WAY.

This is done to make absolutely certain that every game they release will work, guaranteed.


Yes, I know the games each come with an emulator. That's to simulate the original hardware that the game came on. There doesn't need to be anything in the actual roms themselves to stream to the gamepad.

It's like remote desktop software. Someone writes a program which takes whatever is on the host computer and allows to be viewed and manipulated on another computer. I don't have to go and download remote desktop patches for my office program, my media players, my games, etc. because the because the fact that they're being displayed on a different machine has nothing to do with the code of the original programs.
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#119Baha05Posted 1/26/2013 12:11:35 PM
DiscostewSM posted...
Except, you know, Wii mode is not emulated.


Then what purpose does it serve? It seems really out of place to even HAVE Wii Mode
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#120DifferentialEquationPosted 1/26/2013 12:16:49 PM(edited)
darkjedilink posted...


No, it isn't. I have ZSNES, and every SNES game. Tinkering is required for almost half the library, and three quarters of it experiences bugs.

Wii VC is far superior on a game-by-game basis. Heck, just full-screen RENDERING makes Wii VC superior to ZSNES, especially when you're talking about a PC connected to a modern HDTV.


Then I haven't used Zsnes enough. I've played through most of the classics: Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Star Fox, Super Metroid, DKC 1,2,3 MMX 1,2,3 and some other more popular games: SSF 2 Turbo, Super Star Wars Trilogy and Mortal Kombat 2 and one of the Power Rangers games (it was actually kind of fun) and haven't run into any glitches. Or if there were glitches, then must have been minor audio/graphical glitches which I missed and didn't affect the gameplay.
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