I wish it only cost me $1 to convert my DVDs to Blue-Rays

#121rockyminPosted 1/26/2013 11:15:59 AM
darkjedilink posted...
mjc0961 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...
Baha05 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...
Well, one, obviously games like N64 and SNES games don't work the exact same way, second, the VC games have the same format as apps such as Netflix, WiiWare, and even IOSes, so its safe to say that they run differently.


Well obviously each emulator would run different depending on the system but each game?


For example, Rare (the company) N64 games have a very odd prgramming where it is seemingly not possible to have it run via Virtual Console. I'm serious. DK64? Conker? Unplayable. And hackers got SUPERSTAR SAGA to run via VC.


This post right here is proof positive that AhnoldDood has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. I mean, we all knew it already anyway, but this one proves it definitively.

The reason why it's not possible to have Rare games like Conker on Nintendo's Virtual Console service is because Microsoft owns that IP now and they aren't sharing. It has f*** all to do with odd programming.


You're saying that Microsoft owns Donkey Kong?

Wow. That you have the nerve to call ANYONE anything negative is astounding.


He said Conker, you're really starting to sound desperate now.
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#122Xeeh_BitzPosted 1/26/2013 11:23:51 AM(edited)
Waggy17 posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
TC, my Bluray player upscales my DVDs for free.. Why pay $1 for the Wii U to upscale your VC games?


This has already been responded to several times.

Playing a DVD in a Blu-Ray player doesn't add anything to the experience. There is no additional service rendered. This is the same as the free transfer from Wii to Wii U.

It's not like playing the DVD in a Blu-Ray then gives you access to an HD movie free of charge.


Upscaling a DVD to 1080P is not doing anything additional? What exactly does the Wii U do? Allow you to play with a different controller? You use a different remote control for the DVD, so thats the same. It upscales the game? So does the Bluray player when you insert a DVD

So what is so different?

Edit: Certain Bluray players allow you to stream the DVD to other devices, laptops, etc


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#123DiscostewSMPosted 1/26/2013 11:22:10 AM
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Except, you know, Wii mode is not emulated.


Then what purpose does it serve? It seems really out of place to even HAVE Wii Mode


Compatibility and speed. How well does the Dolphin emulator handle Wii games? And what is required to run those games at full-speed and behaving exactly as they would on a real Wii?
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#124darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 11:26:16 AM
rockymin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
mjc0961 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...

For example, Rare (the company) N64 games have a very odd prgramming where it is seemingly not possible to have it run via Virtual Console. I'm serious. DK64? Conker? Unplayable. And hackers got SUPERSTAR SAGA to run via VC.


This post right here is proof positive that AhnoldDood has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. I mean, we all knew it already anyway, but this one proves it definitively.

The reason why it's not possible to have Rare games like Conker on Nintendo's Virtual Console service is because Microsoft owns that IP now and they aren't sharing. It has f*** all to do with odd programming.


You're saying that Microsoft owns Donkey Kong?

Wow. That you have the nerve to call ANYONE anything negative is astounding.


He said Conker, you're really starting to sound desperate now.


The first game in that list is DK64. Donkey Kong. He said that MS owns Donkey Kong because they bought Rare.
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#125darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 11:27:43 AM
DifferentialEquation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Waggy17 posted...
Xeeh_Bitz posted...
TC, my Bluray player upscales my DVDs for free.. Why pay $1 for the Wii U to upscale your VC games?


This has already been responded to several times.

Playing a DVD in a Blu-Ray player doesn't add anything to the experience. There is no additional service rendered. This is the same as the free transfer from Wii to Wii U.
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Unless Nintendo is incompetent, streaming to the gamepad should be purely an OS/hardware thing and not require any modification to the game code (and therefore no additional service rendered).

So the $1 is really to access a message board which is just idiotic.


Thank you for proving you don't know anything about VC.

For the millionth time, EACH GAME IS EMULATED INTERNALLY, BY THE GAME CODE ITSELF, FOR THE WII AND WII ONLY. As such, it can NOT ACCESS THE GAMEPAD IN ANY WAY.

This is done to make absolutely certain that every game they release will work, guaranteed.


Yes, I know the games each come with an emulator. That's to simulate the original hardware that the game came on. There doesn't need to be anything in the actual roms themselves to stream to the gamepad.

It's like remote desktop software. Someone writes a program which takes whatever is on the host computer and allows to be viewed and manipulated on another computer. I don't have to go and download remote desktop patches for my office program, my media players, my games, etc. because the because the fact that they're being displayed on a different machine has nothing to do with the code of the original programs.


But you DO have to have software that allows that in the first place. The way playing Wii games is handled on the Wii U doesn't allow for such.
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#126excitebike64Posted 1/26/2013 11:29:59 AM
darkjedilink posted...
rockymin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
mjc0961 posted...
AhnoldDood posted...

For example, Rare (the company) N64 games have a very odd prgramming where it is seemingly not possible to have it run via Virtual Console. I'm serious. DK64? Conker? Unplayable. And hackers got SUPERSTAR SAGA to run via VC.


This post right here is proof positive that AhnoldDood has no f***ing clue what he's talking about. I mean, we all knew it already anyway, but this one proves it definitively.

The reason why it's not possible to have Rare games like Conker on Nintendo's Virtual Console service is because Microsoft owns that IP now and they aren't sharing. It has f*** all to do with odd programming.


You're saying that Microsoft owns Donkey Kong?

Wow. That you have the nerve to call ANYONE anything negative is astounding.


He said Conker, you're really starting to sound desperate now.


The first game in that list is DK64. Donkey Kong. He said that MS owns Donkey Kong because they bought Rare.


I don't think that is what he meant. And in the case of DK64, as someone else mentioned... it has a mini-game necessary to play to advance in the game. That mini-game was a Rare game. You'd think they could just take it out, but beats me.
#127metroid00700Posted 1/26/2013 11:50:49 AM
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
excitebike64 posted...
I'm not sure what all the games are available now, but mini emulators might need to be made for individual games at least sometimes because cart games had specs added to them that was possible with carts and not discs. NES games had different chip sets. You have the FX chips in SNES carts. Mega Man games for the Super Nintendo had added chip sets. I can see the emulators being tweaked for different games.

We have had emulators that work great (not perfect, but close enough and still far better than the Wii VC) available for 10+ years. It's not that big of an undertaking

Name ONE emulator that can emulate EVERY SINGLE VC GAME better than Wii VC (as in, no bugs, glitches or need to tinker with the emulator's options).


I've never run into any issues with ZSnes. I know it isn't perfect, but it's far better than Nintendo's crap.


No, it isn't. I have ZSNES, and every SNES game. Tinkering is required for almost half the library, and three quarters of it experiences bugs.

Wii VC is far superior on a game-by-game basis. Heck, just full-screen RENDERING makes Wii VC superior to ZSNES, especially when you're talking about a PC connected to a modern HDTV.


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You can easily make one config to have every game run without any trouble.
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#128rockyminPosted 1/26/2013 11:56:41 AM
excitebike64 posted...

I don't think that is what he meant. And in the case of DK64, as someone else mentioned... it has a mini-game necessary to play to advance in the game. That mini-game was a Rare game. You'd think they could just take it out, but beats me.


No, Rare themselves stated that wasn't an issue and were themselves wondering why DK64 wasn't up on the VC yet.
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#129darkjedilinkPosted 1/26/2013 11:57:30 AM
metroid00700 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
<We have had emulators that work great (not perfect, but close enough and still far better than the Wii VC) available for 10+ years. It's not that big of an undertaking

Name ONE emulator that can emulate EVERY SINGLE VC GAME better than Wii VC (as in, no bugs, glitches or need to tinker with the emulator's options).


I've never run into any issues with ZSnes. I know it isn't perfect, but it's far better than Nintendo's crap.


No, it isn't. I have ZSNES, and every SNES game. Tinkering is required for almost half the library, and three quarters of it experiences bugs.

Wii VC is far superior on a game-by-game basis. Heck, just full-screen RENDERING makes Wii VC superior to ZSNES, especially when you're talking about a PC connected to a modern HDTV.


NEStopia
bsnes
PJ64 1.7
KAWAKS
Fusion
Visual Boy Advance

You can easily make one config to have every game run without any trouble.


No, you cannot. If you could, the people who made them would just make that the default, and not give you a need to modify anything.
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#130niels200683Posted 1/26/2013 12:07:33 PM
I don't care if she's wrong or right, what I am most concerned with is this :

- most gamers DO feel entitled, telling them they can't be will only make them explain why they feel entitled (such as precedents set by rivals, but also nintendo themselves with the free 3ds vc - club nintendo promotions and NNID discount promo)

- The upgrade cost to put an entire selection of games outside the slow wii mode will be the highest for the biggest fans nintendo has

- this combination may lead in a number of actual longtime, much-spending fans dropping support, a group that has kept nintendo profitable in the console market during the n64 and gamecube years

I don't like the wii mode, and since they are not updating wiiware games, I'm not transferring yet... but once I do - I'm saving my Nintendo network 5 buck eshop codes for the day I transfer.

Because, nintendo is giving me those for free - just because I love DL indie games! So basically, they let me update 5 nes games each month.

Not so bad if you look at it like that... it took a long time to convince myself, too. I still feel a sharp pain from behind, tho'.

But well... they should really get wiiware out of the hole they call the wii menu first.
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