Honestly if you think the PS4 is going to be a powerhouse compared to the Wii U

#131darkjedilinkPosted 2/10/2013 2:51:58 PM
PSOLavis posted...
How can so many people misinterpret what has been said. Saying the PS4 is not going to be a powerhouse like the PS3 (respective to time) does not mean they are going to be using hardware one year better than the PS3 like the wii u. What they are saying is it is going to be strong (unlike the wii u), but having the most up to date console hardware is not going to be the main focus. Can't wait for the specs to be released and all the fanboys like you who want it to be a wii u rip off come up with your excuses. Like "uhh using last years technology is totally equivalant to using 6 year old technology".


Nothing used in the PS3 is older than 2010, so I really don't get what you mean when you say the tech is a year newer than the PS3...
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#132darkjedilinkPosted 2/10/2013 2:53:19 PM
maximumbarmage posted...
Multiple sources have already confirmed the PS4 specs take a big steamy dump on the sub-PS3 capabilities of the Wii U.


Multiple sources also confirm that the PS4 specs are actually LESS powerful than the Wii U, too.
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#133DarkZV2BetaPosted 2/10/2013 2:54:56 PM
darkjedilink posted...
PSOLavis posted...
How can so many people misinterpret what has been said. Saying the PS4 is not going to be a powerhouse like the PS3 (respective to time) does not mean they are going to be using hardware one year better than the PS3 like the wii u. What they are saying is it is going to be strong (unlike the wii u), but having the most up to date console hardware is not going to be the main focus. Can't wait for the specs to be released and all the fanboys like you who want it to be a wii u rip off come up with your excuses. Like "uhh using last years technology is totally equivalant to using 6 year old technology".


Nothing used in the PS3 is older than 2010, so I really don't get what you mean when you say the tech is a year newer than the PS3...


Sig'd.
Also, "lots" of "sources" confirmed that some PS4 rumors were weaker than the rumored specs that the Wii U might have had at some point in development, but is now so laughably far below that it would be a joke to suggest any similarity.
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Nothing used in the PS3 is older than 2010, so I really don't get what you mean when you say the tech is a year newer than the PS3... -darkjedilink
#134PSOLavisPosted 2/10/2013 2:57:55 PM
darkjedilink posted...
PSOLavis posted...
How can so many people misinterpret what has been said. Saying the PS4 is not going to be a powerhouse like the PS3 (respective to time) does not mean they are going to be using hardware one year better than the PS3 like the wii u. What they are saying is it is going to be strong (unlike the wii u), but having the most up to date console hardware is not going to be the main focus. Can't wait for the specs to be released and all the fanboys like you who want it to be a wii u rip off come up with your excuses. Like "uhh using last years technology is totally equivalant to using 6 year old technology".


Nothing used in the PS3 is older than 2010, so I really don't get what you mean when you say the tech is a year newer than the PS3...


You misinterpreted what I wrote. I was saying the the ps4 would be using 2010 technology possibly, as opposed to the wii u which is using 2007 technology.
#135Lefty128kPosted 2/10/2013 2:59:10 PM
GoombaX posted...
you would be foolish since sony reps have said they arnt going to focus on power so much this gen back when they first announced they were making the ps4.

And of course again they have said it
http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-selling-point-new-play-options-not-specs-report-6403656?tag=Topslot;Today039sGamingNews;Ps4SellingPointNewPla


You should learn how to read English correctly. The first sentence straight up says the PS4 will still keep it's specs, they just won't be the main selling point.

No amount of NEStablishment wishing or reasoning will make the Wii U hardware compete on par with the PS4 and nextbox. There isn't some magical graphics beast lurking in the custom components on the GPU. You can't download any RAM.

You bought the least powerful next-gen system. Deal with it.
#136Sakura_RailgunPosted 2/10/2013 6:22:12 PM
Soggy13 posted...
Sakura_Railgun posted...
Wait wait wait. People honestly think the Orbis/Durango won't be significantly more powerful than the Wii U? Are they crazy?

Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Of course it is. But it isn't any where near as powerful as the Orbis or Durango. Let's be real guys.


No. Are you crazy? Making a significantly more powerful console demands a significantly higher price point.

Not really. Half of the cost of the Wii U is in the gamepad, the Orbis doesn't have that. The Wii U is also built to utilise far less power than the other systems, which costs money as well, and then of course the Wii U needs to accommodate for BC with the Wii, which again costs money.

The Orbis can easily be several times more powerful than the Wii U while only costing around $400~450, considering it isn't trying to be super power efficient like the Wii U, doesn't have an expensive gamepad, likely doesn't have BC, and uses much more standard components.
#137crowe_1Posted 2/10/2013 9:14:18 PM
Sakura_Railgun posted...
Soggy13 posted...
Sakura_Railgun posted...
Wait wait wait. People honestly think the Orbis/Durango won't be significantly more powerful than the Wii U? Are they crazy?

Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Of course it is. But it isn't any where near as powerful as the Orbis or Durango. Let's be real guys.


No. Are you crazy? Making a significantly more powerful console demands a significantly higher price point.

Not really. Half of the cost of the Wii U is in the gamepad, the Orbis doesn't have that. The Wii U is also built to utilise far less power than the other systems, which costs money as well, and then of course the Wii U needs to accommodate for BC with the Wii, which again costs money.

The Orbis can easily be several times more powerful than the Wii U while only costing around $400~450, considering it isn't trying to be super power efficient like the Wii U, doesn't have an expensive gamepad, likely doesn't have BC, and uses much more standard components.


While you're not wrong in principle, keep in mind that the PS4 will also have a controller that will factor into the manufacturing cost; probably not a $100-ish controller, but $30-40 maybe. Also, there will likely be a much bigger harddrive than the U, which will eat up another $30-40 of manufacturing costs. Blu Ray support, another few $10 bills or so (yes, I am making these values up because I don't know what the actual costs of production are, but you get the point). Wouldn't Sony have to pay licensing fees for stuff like Dolby 7.1 support and whatnot that the U doesn't have? The list probably goes on.

Also, let's not discount the possibility that Sony will add some new hardware feature that isn't related to system power, a la the Wii Remote or Gamepad, Kinect, Move, or MS's rumored "Illumiroom"; that would require a portion of the manufacturing dollars as well. The point is, the Gamepad's inclusion might not create as much of a development cost disparity between PS4 and Wii U as one might initially think.

According to Nintendo's "one game sold turns a profit" claims, we can assume that a Wii U costs in the ballpark of $300 to put together, package, ship, etc. If PS4 is priced at $400, and breaks even on production, it probably has $100-ish wiggle room to beef up the hardware compared to the U. Probably enough to create a significant bump in relative power, but whether it's enough to put the PS4 in another league is yet to be seen.
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#138XSilverPhoenixXPosted 2/10/2013 10:02:35 PM
darkjedilink posted...
maximumbarmage posted...
Multiple sources have already confirmed the PS4 specs take a big steamy dump on the sub-PS3 capabilities of the Wii U.


Multiple sources also confirm that the PS4 specs are actually LESS powerful than the Wii U, too.


What source would that be, your grandmother? Don't be so ignorant. The next PlayStation and Xbox are going to be far and away technologically superior than anything the WiiU can manage.

This is a baseless argument for Nintendo's poor system designs compared to the competition.
#139PHOENIXZEROPosted 2/10/2013 11:38:33 PM
crowe_1 posted...
Sakura_Railgun posted...
Soggy13 posted...
Sakura_Railgun posted...
Wait wait wait. People honestly think the Orbis/Durango won't be significantly more powerful than the Wii U? Are they crazy?

Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Of course it is. But it isn't any where near as powerful as the Orbis or Durango. Let's be real guys.


No. Are you crazy? Making a significantly more powerful console demands a significantly higher price point.

Not really. Half of the cost of the Wii U is in the gamepad, the Orbis doesn't have that. The Wii U is also built to utilise far less power than the other systems, which costs money as well, and then of course the Wii U needs to accommodate for BC with the Wii, which again costs money.

The Orbis can easily be several times more powerful than the Wii U while only costing around $400~450, considering it isn't trying to be super power efficient like the Wii U, doesn't have an expensive gamepad, likely doesn't have BC, and uses much more standard components.


While you're not wrong in principle, keep in mind that the PS4 will also have a controller that will factor into the manufacturing cost; probably not a $100-ish controller, but $30-40 maybe. Also, there will likely be a much bigger harddrive than the U, which will eat up another $30-40 of manufacturing costs. Blu Ray support, another few $10 bills or so (yes, I am making these values up because I don't know what the actual costs of production are, but you get the point). Wouldn't Sony have to pay licensing fees for stuff like Dolby 7.1 support and whatnot that the U doesn't have? The list probably goes on.

Also, let's not discount the possibility that Sony will add some new hardware feature that isn't related to system power, a la the Wii Remote or Gamepad, Kinect, Move, or MS's rumored "Illumiroom"; that would require a portion of the manufacturing dollars as well. The point is, the Gamepad's inclusion might not create as much of a development cost disparity between PS4 and Wii U as one might initially think.

According to Nintendo's "one game sold turns a profit" claims, we can assume that a Wii U costs in the ballpark of $300 to put together, package, ship, etc. If PS4 is priced at $400, and breaks even on production, it probably has $100-ish wiggle room to beef up the hardware compared to the U. Probably enough to create a significant bump in relative power, but whether it's enough to put the PS4 in another league is yet to be seen.


Blu-Ray drive costs are down to being close to DVD drives now. Your other prices might be close on the low end. Even if after everything it leaves $100 for better CPU/GPU/RAM that's still a lot of room for newer, more powerful tech.
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#140darkqueenhelbaPosted 2/10/2013 11:42:29 PM
Even if it is...who cares? Only peasants that can't afford to buy LUXURY items (heh...) worry themselves over this crap.
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