The Dreamcast was home to some of the best games and it did poorly...

#61KimppisPosted 3/26/2013 7:35:54 AM
There is one thing I'd like to add: Dreamcast was actually powerful machine when it was released, unlike the Wii U.

And as someone already mentioned: Dreamcast didn't actually sell that badly (especially in North America), but Sega just couldn't afford to support it , because of their past failures (Mega/Sega CD, 32X and Saturn in the west). It is true it wasn't PS2 level success (or anything close for that matter...) but it did ok.
#6250inchDLPPosted 3/26/2013 7:58:23 AM
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Some examples of Dreamcast games, Dreamcast is my favorite console ever and if wiiU gets half the great games Dreamcast had it would be amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-tQX-XZhX0

DC even could emulate PS1 games better than PS2 did.
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#63jbhensPosted 3/26/2013 8:11:54 AM
People who think the Dreamcast failed because Sega couldn't afford it is missing a huge part of what happened. If the system had gotten the hardware and software sales it deserved, Sega would have stayed in the game. Anyone who was following the game industry back then knows Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast. It had the best launch lineup of any console past or future, had incredible graphics, innovative games, and a great online structure back when online was brand new for console gaming. But, as soon as the Dreamcast launched, what did gamers do? They got awe struck by tech demos of rubber duckys, final fantasy Vlll dance scenes, 2 cars driving around a track, and a teken demo. The PS2 unveil happened, and gamers and the gaming media never looked at the Dreamcast again. Gamers ignored the awesome price and great software on the Dreamcast for the PS2. The system that for a whole year, the biggest news on it was a MGS2 demo. That's why I laugh when half these clowns say the Wii U isn't selling cause of lack of games. How many of you people actually owned the Dreamcast?
#64TerotrousPosted 3/26/2013 8:13:53 AM
That's what I was saying, it just got smoked by PS2, as any system would have. PS2 was untouchable.


Actually, if Dreamcast hadn't been discontinued, it probably would have beaten GC and XBox. Sega just didn't think it was worth continuing to lose money and decided to go where the money was... releasing games for PS2.
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#65jbhensPosted 3/26/2013 8:18:55 AM
Terotrous posted...
That's what I was saying, it just got smoked by PS2, as any system would have. PS2 was untouchable.


Actually, if Dreamcast hadn't been discontinued, it probably would have beaten GC and XBox. Sega just didn't think it was worth continuing to lose money and decided to go where the money was... releasing games for PS2.



No. It wouldn't have. Sega couldn't give Dreamcasts away towards the end. That's why it failed. As soon as the PS2 came out, nobody wanted the Dreamcast. Really amazing how a system with so much promise from day 1 could be ignored so much by "gamers"
#66KimppisPosted 3/26/2013 8:26:05 AM
jbhens posted...
People who think the Dreamcast failed because Sega couldn't afford it is missing a huge part of what happened. If the system had gotten the hardware and software sales it deserved, Sega would have stayed in the game. Anyone who was following the game industry back then knows Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast. It had the best launch lineup of any console past or future, had incredible graphics, innovative games, and a great online structure back when online was brand new for console gaming. But, as soon as the Dreamcast launched, what did gamers do? They got awe struck by tech demos of rubber duckys, final fantasy Vlll dance scenes, 2 cars driving around a track, and a teken demo. The PS2 unveil happened, and gamers and the gaming media never looked at the Dreamcast again. Gamers ignored the awesome price and great software on the Dreamcast for the PS2. The system that for a whole year, the biggest news on it was a MGS2 demo. That's why I laugh when half these clowns say the Wii U isn't selling cause of lack of games. How many of you people actually owned the Dreamcast?


I agree 100%.

As I said earlier: it couldn't compete with PS2, but it still did ok. Look at Gamecube: it sold poorly compared to PS2, but still not horribly (like Atari Jaguar for example) and Nintendo could afford to keep it alive.

As you said Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast, EVERYTHING. Its launch lineup was amazing, it was powerful, but still affordable. Well... the minor flaw was that it didn't have a second analog stick, but they could have released new controller later I suppose. And also it didn't have a DVD drive, so that could have been a problem with games like GTA, but in my opinion that really isn't a flaw because: 1. we are talking about a GAMING console here and 2. without a DVD drive they could keep the price down.
#67JackalPosted 3/26/2013 8:33:16 AM
jbhens posted...
People who think the Dreamcast failed because Sega couldn't afford it is missing a huge part of what happened. If the system had gotten the hardware and software sales it deserved, Sega would have stayed in the game. Anyone who was following the game industry back then knows Sega did everything right with the Dreamcast. It had the best launch lineup of any console past or future, had incredible graphics, innovative games, and a great online structure back when online was brand new for console gaming. But, as soon as the Dreamcast launched, what did gamers do? They got awe struck by tech demos of rubber duckys, final fantasy Vlll dance scenes, 2 cars driving around a track, and a teken demo. The PS2 unveil happened, and gamers and the gaming media never looked at the Dreamcast again. Gamers ignored the awesome price and great software on the Dreamcast for the PS2. The system that for a whole year, the biggest news on it was a MGS2 demo. That's why I laugh when half these clowns say the Wii U isn't selling cause of lack of games. How many of you people actually owned the Dreamcast?


This.

The announcement of the PS2 practically killed the Dreamcast because it was also going to be the cheapest DVD player in Japan. And it also played two generations of games. With many people feeling the Wii U lacks some "standard" features like internal drives,etc., the announcement of the PS4 coming out this year has put things on hold for some people. And now the new MS system is going to be announced in April according to the rumors? Why would you buy a Wii U? It's lacking a decent amount of games that one may want and yes, I know that it's a new console. But the fact is, it IS lacking games. Nintendo keep making excuses about games like, "It takes time to get the old Nintendo charm." Yeah.

The console could have been doing much better if they had more gaming ready to go at launch.

And yes, people, I do own a Dreamcast.

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#68TerotrousPosted 3/26/2013 8:42:27 AM
jbhens posted...
No. It wouldn't have. Sega couldn't give Dreamcasts away towards the end. That's why it failed.

Also true of GC and XBox for the majority of the generation. It's not as though beating them in total sales would be some great achievement.
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#69jbhensPosted 3/26/2013 9:01:39 AM
Terotrous posted...
jbhens posted...
No. It wouldn't have. Sega couldn't give Dreamcasts away towards the end. That's why it failed.

Also true of GC and XBox for the majority of the generation. It's not as though beating them in total sales would be some great achievement.



No beating the GC or Xbox in sales wouldn't have been a great achievement, but the Dreamcast would not have come close to those 2 systems sales wise one way or another. If gamers wouldn't purchase the system during it's first year and a half when their were tons of great exclusive games or when Sega decided to pretty much give them away then they sure won't going to sell them once the Gamecube and Xbox hit the market. So called gamers ignored the Dreamcast.
#70NoelJVPosted 3/26/2013 9:03:19 AM
HungoverHero777 posted...
Because unlike Sega, Nintendo hasn't released a bunch of failed peripherals/consoles (32X, Saturn) and they aren't in the financial hole.

(Hmm.. maybe I'll screen-cap this comment so I already have my answer when the next inevitable one of these topics shows up.)


Actually, Nintendo is in quiet a lot of financial trouble. There stock has gone down 20% since the wii u launch.