As much as I hate it, I can't blame 3rd party companies for skipping Wii U

#31gecko_man2Posted 4/20/2013 2:33:31 PM
digiblaster posted...
P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
*Nintendo gives Third Parties a chance to shine*
*Third Parties blame Nintendo for their games not selling and console sales being slow*
*Nintendo releases big games to increase console sales*
*Third Parties complain that they can't compete with Nintendo's sales*

Rinse, and repeat.


This.

They were given a golden opportunity during the launch window to make us want to buy third party games. Instead, we got a bunch of lazy ports, some of which were games that came out months beforehand, and somehow Nintendo and the fans are to blame.

Don't get me wrong, they weren't all lazy ports - Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed was pretty solid, and CoD felt like it would have on 360/PS3 (with the exception of the lack of players), but if they really wanted to sell games on the Wii U, they needed to release something that people hadn't already played before.


Yeah blame the developers, im sure it has nothing to do with them focusing on systems people give a crap about.
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#32leopoldsharkPosted 4/20/2013 2:37:23 PM
Yeah, you can't blame third parties for skipping Wii U based on sales figures of the past. But there are plenty of other reasons why some of them failed. Some of them failed because of poor marketing, others failed because they are ports of old games. Can you blame people for not buying Call of Duty 2 or Dead Space Extraction when Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and Dead Space 2 are already on the market for the other systems? Of the ones in the Wii U launch, the people who would want to buy it either 1) already own it or 2) can get it for much cheaper on a different platform (not to mention not having to pay the 300-350 dollars for the new console). Assassin's Creed 3 was a slightly different story but it still had to be delayed 2 weeks to line up with the Wii U launch.

Another thing to consider is are they trying to port the right games? Do people who own a Nintendo really want to play first-person, story-driven shooters or would they prefer things more familiar to them, like minimal story platformers or adventure games? Rayman is one of those third party franchises that feels at home on a Nintendo console. The Darksiders franchise is also familiar enough to older Zelda fans.

The Nintendo market and the PS3/360 market are very different. It'll be hard to have a game that is a critical success on all 3 consoles, especially if there is online community segregation or one version is just flat out better. What may succeed on PS3 and 360 may flop on Wii U and what may succeed on Wii U may flop on PS3/360. I would rather Nintendo not try to get ports of games their market doesn't want and instead aim for games that do (or try to hit a middle ground, like Wonderful 101).
#33SinfullyvannilaPosted 4/20/2013 2:40:31 PM
Zayzie posted...
Maybe, just maybe, if Nintendo produced hardware that developers want to work with they might just start doing so. It has been a problem since the n64 days with proprietary formats that are not developer friendly, etc..the wii was a fluke success at first. It had a nice strong launch at a price point that blew everyone else away. It created a whole new market for itself. as the high from that success wound down and the other consoles started picking up it was nothing but shovelware with the odd random gem here or there. Even to this day I don't know a single person that doesn't have a wii collecting dust in some back corner.

But you also have to consider the nintendo fanboys rabid hate and bile towards anything non-Nintendo. Just look at the topics that have been posted today... "Why third parties don't matter" ?? Are you kidding me. All the people that just cast off ea or bethesda or activision etc . As " lol they suck" or the big classic "I only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games". How is that short sighted narrowminded blind fanboyism helping you system of choice at all?? Like it or not , if the biggest 3rd party developers aren't gonna bother why should smaller lesser known companies take the risk??

The bottom line is both Nintendo and its core followers are to blame. Nintendo for not keeping their hard even remotely inline with current technological trends. And Nintendo gamers blindly throwing all their support no matter what the product to the exclusion of nearly everything else.


Sony is the ones with the tendency to make consoles that are hard for developers to work with.

That's why they changed their architecture to an X86 based one for PS4 and had to cut BC for it. Developers weren't interested in optimizing the multiplats for PS3 architecture. They were for PS2(which was even more bizarre) but that's because it sold like hotcakes.

But I do agree that the fault lies mostly with people not buying 3rd party games on Nintendo systems. The Wii actually had a surprising amount of good that went completely under the radar and nobody ended up buying.
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#34IzraeilPosted 4/20/2013 2:51:08 PM
I thought 3rd parties don't wanna make games for Wii u because people buy Nintendo consoles only for Nintendo games...
#35FayeLadyPosted 4/20/2013 2:52:41 PM
Izraeil posted...
I thought 3rd parties don't wanna make games for Wii u because people buy Nintendo consoles only for Nintendo games...


That too. Its a multifaceted issue. Its no ONE thing.
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#36SlimeSwayzePosted 4/20/2013 2:52:48 PM
Aiddon posted...
P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
*Nintendo gives Third Parties a chance to shine*
*Third Parties blame Nintendo for their games not selling and console sales being slow*
*Nintendo releases big games to increase console sales*
*Third Parties complain that they can't compete with Nintendo's sales*

Rinse, and repeat.


Pretty much; third parties area bunch of spoiled brats who don't put a lot of effort into the Wii U titles. Same thing with the Wii; instead of actually making good games marketing them they either made halfhearted efforts or released them with no fair. I'm not going to blame Nintendo for 3rd parties self-sabotaging their products


Do you think 3rd parties should be putting more effort into Wii U titles for some reason? Why? They would still sell less than the other console versions. Nintendo loyalists sure are entitled if they feel like their version of a game should get special care, especially when they don't even support the games that are direct ports.

I get the feeling that many of the people on these boards want better versions of multiplatform titles just so they can brag about it, as opposed to actually buying and playing the game.
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#37gecko_man2Posted 4/20/2013 3:02:23 PM
Aiddon posted...
P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
*Nintendo gives Third Parties a chance to shine*
*Third Parties blame Nintendo for their games not selling and console sales being slow*
*Nintendo releases big games to increase console sales*
*Third Parties complain that they can't compete with Nintendo's sales*

Rinse, and repeat.


Pretty much; third parties area bunch of spoiled brats who don't put a lot of effort into the Wii U titles. Same thing with the Wii; instead of actually making good games marketing them they either made halfhearted efforts or released them with no fair. I'm not going to blame Nintendo for 3rd parties self-sabotaging their products


Third parties dont put effort into nintendo because no one gives a damn about nintendo anymore besides their already loving fans, who mostly just like nintendo games.
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#38Emerald_MeliosPosted 4/20/2013 3:04:47 PM
ShadowSkill11 posted...
3rd party games are selling like gangbusters now.... Just not on Nintendo systems.


They're selling fine on 3DS....
#39digiblasterPosted 4/20/2013 3:16:14 PM
gecko_man2 posted...
digiblaster posted...
P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
*Nintendo gives Third Parties a chance to shine*
*Third Parties blame Nintendo for their games not selling and console sales being slow*
*Nintendo releases big games to increase console sales*
*Third Parties complain that they can't compete with Nintendo's sales*

Rinse, and repeat.


This.

They were given a golden opportunity during the launch window to make us want to buy third party games. Instead, we got a bunch of lazy ports, some of which were games that came out months beforehand, and somehow Nintendo and the fans are to blame.

Don't get me wrong, they weren't all lazy ports - Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed was pretty solid, and CoD felt like it would have on 360/PS3 (with the exception of the lack of players), but if they really wanted to sell games on the Wii U, they needed to release something that people hadn't already played before.


Yeah blame the developers, im sure it has nothing to do with them focusing on systems people give a crap about.


Well yeah, they are to blame. Given the choice between buying a game on release day, or waiting six months for a (generally) worse port on a different console, what are people going to do? They'll get it when it comes out.

The only people to blame are the devs.
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#40FayeLadyPosted 4/20/2013 3:37:16 PM
digiblaster posted...
gecko_man2 posted...
digiblaster posted...
P_A_N_D_A_M_A_N posted...
*Nintendo gives Third Parties a chance to shine*
*Third Parties blame Nintendo for their games not selling and console sales being slow*
*Nintendo releases big games to increase console sales*
*Third Parties complain that they can't compete with Nintendo's sales*

Rinse, and repeat.


This.

They were given a golden opportunity during the launch window to make us want to buy third party games. Instead, we got a bunch of lazy ports, some of which were games that came out months beforehand, and somehow Nintendo and the fans are to blame.

Don't get me wrong, they weren't all lazy ports - Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed was pretty solid, and CoD felt like it would have on 360/PS3 (with the exception of the lack of players), but if they really wanted to sell games on the Wii U, they needed to release something that people hadn't already played before.


Yeah blame the developers, im sure it has nothing to do with them focusing on systems people give a crap about.


Well yeah, they are to blame. Given the choice between buying a game on release day, or waiting six months for a (generally) worse port on a different console, what are people going to do? They'll get it when it comes out.

The only people to blame are the devs.


Or you blame Nintendo for not making the system suited to making the ports significantly better experiences. Or you blame the devs for not telling Nintendo what they look for in a platform, or blame Nintendo for not asking...

This can go on forever, at the end of the day its no ONE thing. Its a pretty fat list.
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