C/D: If Nintendo cared far more for the consumer they'd be doing a lot better.

#11nbean16Posted 4/22/2013 1:59:56 AM
Don't know why I'm gonna introduce logic into this mess of a topic but here goes:

So you're saying nintendo would do better and make more money if they just made stronger hardware and bought rights to exclusives. This must be obvious if you figured it out. Now nintendo refuses to do this because they don't want to make more money. But they are also greedy, so greedy they crave less money. Oh and also gamecube was an enormous success but nintendo secretly denies it so they can continue their reverse greed strategy. Does this sum up your position?
#12piUrsEitanizm(Topic Creator)Posted 4/22/2013 2:11:14 AM
nbean16 posted...
Don't know why I'm gonna introduce logic into this mess of a topic but here goes:

So you're saying nintendo would do better and make more money if they just made stronger hardware and bought rights to exclusives. This must be obvious if you figured it out. Now nintendo refuses to do this because they don't want to make more money. But they are also greedy, so greedy they crave less money. Oh and also gamecube was an enormous success but nintendo secretly denies it so they can continue their reverse greed strategy. Does this sum up your position?


No, they're using conservative logic that over time they'll make more money if they refuse to take "any" sort of risks in case they make "any" bad decisions like Sony or Microsoft has from time to time. Nintendo thinks that they could go bankrupt or do fairly bad economically if they don't just "automatically" do well with every investment they make.

Which is all because they think that research has shown them that they don't fit in the right marketing to be both at the sametime what they had striven for with the Gamecube and what they had striven for with the Wii. Which is because they think that marketing has proven to them that their consumers are a different demographic due to their reputation. Yet, they do nothing to change their reputation or at least bully their competition like they used to before?

And don't tell me that Nintendo is trying to be ethical by doing that, Sony and Microsoft fight each other by simply buying the rights to different exclusives ALL the TIME!. Nintendo used to do that and when they did they were the most successful. Why not at least go back to having the right specs to do that again?
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#13dennis941012Posted 4/22/2013 2:14:51 AM
From: piUrsEitanizm | #052
nbean16 posted...
Don't know why I'm gonna introduce logic into this mess of a topic but here goes:

So you're saying nintendo would do better and make more money if they just made stronger hardware and bought rights to exclusives. This must be obvious if you figured it out. Now nintendo refuses to do this because they don't want to make more money. But they are also greedy, so greedy they crave less money. Oh and also gamecube was an enormous success but nintendo secretly denies it so they can continue their reverse greed strategy. Does this sum up your position?


No, they're using conservative logic that over time they'll make more money if they refuse to take "any" sort of risks in case they make "any" bad decisions like Sony or Microsoft has from time to time. Nintendo thinks that they could go bankrupt or do fairly bad economically if they don't just "automatically" do well with every investment they make.

Which is all because they think that research has shown them that they don't fit in the right marketing to be both at the sametime what they had striven for with the Gamecube and what they had striven for with the Wii. Which is because they think that marketing has proven to them that their consumers are a different demographic due to their reputation. Yet, they do nothing to change their reputation or at least bully their competition like they used to before?

And don't tell me that Nintendo is trying to be ethical by doing that, Sony and Microsoft fight each other by simply buying the rights to different exclusives ALL the TIME!. Nintendo used to do that and when they did they were the most successful. Why not at least go back to having the right specs to do that again?


look at ds
successful console leads to exclusives
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#14piUrsEitanizm(Topic Creator)Posted 4/22/2013 2:20:50 AM(edited)
dennis941012 posted...
From: piUrsEitanizm | #052
nbean16 posted...
Don't know why I'm gonna introduce logic into this mess of a topic but here goes:

So you're saying nintendo would do better and make more money if they just made stronger hardware and bought rights to exclusives. This must be obvious if you figured it out. Now nintendo refuses to do this because they don't want to make more money. But they are also greedy, so greedy they crave less money. Oh and also gamecube was an enormous success but nintendo secretly denies it so they can continue their reverse greed strategy. Does this sum up your position?


No, they're using conservative logic that over time they'll make more money if they refuse to take "any" sort of risks in case they make "any" bad decisions like Sony or Microsoft has from time to time. Nintendo thinks that they could go bankrupt or do fairly bad economically if they don't just "automatically" do well with every investment they make.

Which is all because they think that research has shown them that they don't fit in the right marketing to be both at the sametime what they had striven for with the Gamecube and what they had striven for with the Wii. Which is because they think that marketing has proven to them that their consumers are a different demographic due to their reputation. Yet, they do nothing to change their reputation or at least bully their competition like they used to before?

And don't tell me that Nintendo is trying to be ethical by doing that, Sony and Microsoft fight each other by simply buying the rights to different exclusives ALL the TIME!. Nintendo used to do that and when they did they were the most successful. Why not at least go back to having the right specs to do that again?


look at ds
successful console leads to exclusives


No, Nintendo just happens to automatically receive hand held console exclusives because their hand held consoles are the best selling because they have the best hand held reputation still as no other hand held console has tried its fullest to compete with Nintendo design/features wise.

So no, thats not correct, because above all reasons the PSVita has superior specs and should receive exclusives just based on the 3DS's lack of power. And yes, that does tend to happen, but why doesn't it happen more? Because the PSVita hasn't sold enough units to create the automatic confidence necessary.
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#15Beatperson14Posted 4/22/2013 3:16:34 AM
How can anyone deny this? They are literally directly related
#16darkjedilinkPosted 4/22/2013 3:27:07 AM
piUrsEitanizm posted...
By caring I mean "If they quit skimping so much on the hardware specs and if they tired far harder to both get all the third party games people want but to make all the first party games people want."


So, you're another one of those people that thinks companies aren't allowed to make a profit.

I'll never understand how Socialism/Communism fits into gaming as a hobby.
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#17El_ZaggyPosted 4/22/2013 4:00:53 AM
yep.

Nintendo just try to draws people with their gimmicks. The motion controls worked once but once people bought the wii, they realized that there was no substance to the console, the game were awful and it was underpowered.

Now this is the same exact thing with the wii u, except consumers learned from their mistakes and are not buying the console massively like they bought the wii.

Also nintendo doesnt listen developers. They are on a bubble that will explode soon.
#18piUrsEitanizm(Topic Creator)Posted 4/22/2013 4:42:00 AM
darkjedilink posted...
piUrsEitanizm posted...
By caring I mean "If they quit skimping so much on the hardware specs and if they tired far harder to both get all the third party games people want but to make all the first party games people want."


So, you're another one of those people that thinks companies aren't allowed to make a profit.

I'll never understand how Socialism/Communism fits into gaming as a hobby.


That has nothing to do with that. It's like I said, Nintendo thinks they've learned from experience that their consumers demographic wants something entirely different from Sony and Microsoft's. However, pure 100% 1+1=2, the sky is blue, grass is green, birds can fly common sense every day logic will tell you that in reality most people easily pick and enjoy every new installment of next Sony/Microsoft console is purely based on the hardware and exclusives.

Which is why 360's sell more than PS3's due to the fact that Microsoft can afford to buy more exclusive titles than Sony can. So even if they had just instead for example built the Wii U to at least be strong "enough" and then also bought at least one or two important exclusive titles every now and then well...

Nintendo would be on the incline instead..
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#19r7gerrabbitPosted 4/22/2013 4:48:26 AM
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#20FayeLadyPosted 4/22/2013 5:03:14 AM
Is this a trick question? If most companies cared more for the consumer they'd be doing a lot better.
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