Poor sales are better than Zero sales.

#11STN79Posted 5/1/2013 3:22:44 PM
The damage was done to Nintendo's image way back when N64 came out. The whole sticking with cartridges thing made them look really behind and they've never recovered since. Now it's not so much the lack of power but the smaller selection of third party titles.
They've never had as much support as the other companies the way they did in the Nes/Snes era. Most of their customers now are long time fans from those days.
#12CHAINMAILLEKID(Topic Creator)Posted 5/1/2013 4:29:25 PM(edited)
SlimeSwayze posted...


For better or worse, image is a big deal when it comes to success or failure of a product,

the damage done to their image by the wide reporting on poor sales.


how EXACTLY do you suppose their image of how well the console sells to be a 'Big Deal"?

That makes absolutely no sense.

People don't buy consoles based on which one is reported to be having runaway sales, unless it reaches fad status.

And Third Parties aren't swayed by sensationalist reporting, they do their research, and while individuals in the companies may say interesting things every so often, the companies decisions are based on heavy research.

So who exactly is it that it crucial for the consoles success that will be influenced so greatly by Nintendo's "Horrible" and apparently irreparable Image of poor sales?
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#13fissionprimerPosted 5/1/2013 4:31:00 PM
Tell that to the dreamcast TC
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#14SlimeSwayzePosted 5/1/2013 4:32:15 PM
Do you think when a casual gamer reads an article about how poorly the Wii U is selling (hardware and software), that doesn't have an impact on their image of Nintendo and the Wii U? I find that hard to believe. Unless you're simply a loyal Nintendo fan who will love them regardless of what hey do, watching them struggle will only have a negative impact on your view of their products, especially when you go to a local retailer and see how the Wii U is pretty much an afterthought in terms of how it is displayed and the number of games available on the system. Do you really think those things don't have an impact?

On these boards, people already have preconceived notions regarding their love and hate of Nintendo. But these boards are the minority when it comes to the overall gaming population. Nintendo is losing the battle for those people. It's a bad combo when they have failed to successfully market their product, and many people's introduction to the system is reading an article about game delays or historically bad monthly sales. Those things effect Nintendo's image.
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#15CHAINMAILLEKID(Topic Creator)Posted 5/1/2013 4:44:18 PM(edited)
SlimeSwayze posted...
Do you think when a casual gamer reads an article about how poorly the Wii U is selling (hardware and software), that doesn't have an impact on their image of Nintendo and the Wii U? .


Uh, not really.
Especially not in any long term.
You think six months from now, when the system actually has games and sales, that people are going to remember an article they read about how poor it was selling?
People, especially casuals, only see what is immediately in front of them

It might affect their decision if they they read it Today, and were planning on buying a present for johnny tonight.

Besides, if they were reading articles about the industry that were about something other than "Does Violence in games contribute to gun violence?" Then they're probably not casual gamers.
Likely the only information they see, is the information companies pay a lot of money in order to get to them.
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#16CHAINMAILLEKID(Topic Creator)Posted 5/1/2013 4:45:20 PM
fissionprimer posted...
Tell that to the dreamcast TC


I did, He told me to slap you.
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#17PigfartsPosted 5/2/2013 5:05:27 AM
CHAINMAILLEKID posted...
Pigfarts posted...
STN79 posted...
I don't get why slow sales on a console that's barely getting started is such a mystery. It's how they all begin. Time is all that is needed to make Wii U succeed. The games are coming. Just play something on the wide variety of other systems while you wait.


The sales aren't just slow or bad, they are horrible esp for 6 months into the life of a console. there is now way to spin that as the norm.

Its not the people here that sales figures should concern its the developers who are refusing to make Wii U games b/c of the low sales.

Its a cycle, no sale ---> no game...no game ---> no sale.
nintendo releases a bunch of 1st games, consoles sell, but 3rd parties can't compete with nintendo 1st parties.

its lose lose, unless a 3rd party game can come out and show there is a market for them on the Wii u.


Its not just that.

Its not ALWAYS going to be a cycle ( well its possible ). But right now the Wii U caught many of the games already in development.
So its like "Well, we WERE going to just release in on PS3 and 360, but should we release it for the wii U too? Nahhhh"

What it really needed was a game developed FOR the wii U, For the consoles core audience. Which is why Rayman Legends would have been so good for the console, and why it will be such a big deal when it finally does come out.


Dude it is a cycle look at Wii, it sold like 100 million units (total guess), now look at the top 20 selling games almost all nintendo 1st party. If you were a video game developer that would not be encouraging to see when making Wii games.

Even with such a huge base 3rd party games sold like crap on the Wii. A lot of it is just the fans themselves not p[laying anything but 1st party games.
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#18CHAINMAILLEKID(Topic Creator)Posted 5/2/2013 1:22:35 PM
Pigfarts posted...
CHAINMAILLEKID posted...
Pigfarts posted...
STN79 posted...
I don't get why slow sales on a console that's barely getting started is such a mystery. It's how they all begin. Time is all that is needed to make Wii U succeed. The games are coming. Just play something on the wide variety of other systems while you wait.


The sales aren't just slow or bad, they are horrible esp for 6 months into the life of a console. there is now way to spin that as the norm.

Its not the people here that sales figures should concern its the developers who are refusing to make Wii U games b/c of the low sales.

Its a cycle, no sale ---> no game...no game ---> no sale.
nintendo releases a bunch of 1st games, consoles sell, but 3rd parties can't compete with nintendo 1st parties.

its lose lose, unless a 3rd party game can come out and show there is a market for them on the Wii u.


Its not just that.

Its not ALWAYS going to be a cycle ( well its possible ). But right now the Wii U caught many of the games already in development.
So its like "Well, we WERE going to just release in on PS3 and 360, but should we release it for the wii U too? Nahhhh"

What it really needed was a game developed FOR the wii U, For the consoles core audience. Which is why Rayman Legends would have been so good for the console, and why it will be such a big deal when it finally does come out.


Dude it is a cycle look at Wii, it sold like 100 million units (total guess), now look at the top 20 selling games almost all nintendo 1st party. If you were a video game developer that would not be encouraging to see when making Wii games.

Even with such a huge base 3rd party games sold like crap on the Wii. A lot of it is just the fans themselves not p[laying anything but 1st party games.


The wii owners HAVE been buying those games.

They've just been buying them on the PS3/360 because wii has had gimped titles with gimped support.
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#19thundercat2600Posted 5/2/2013 1:30:47 PM
STN79 posted...
I don't get why slow sales on a console that's barely getting started is such a mystery. It's how they all begin. Time is all that is needed to make Wii U succeed. The games are coming. Just play something on the wide variety of other systems while you wait.


Wii U sold worse in January-March than PS3 or 360 EVER sold in their worst months since launch. Even Wii (whose slow sales prompted Nintendo to launch Wii U earlier) is now outselling Wii U.

No, this isn't just business as usual. It's very bad news for Nintendo.
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#20arvilinoPosted 5/2/2013 1:31:55 PM
CHAINMAILLEKID posted...
Pigfarts posted...
CHAINMAILLEKID posted...
Pigfarts posted...
STN79 posted...
I don't get why slow sales on a console that's barely getting started is such a mystery. It's how they all begin. Time is all that is needed to make Wii U succeed. The games are coming. Just play something on the wide variety of other systems while you wait.


The sales aren't just slow or bad, they are horrible esp for 6 months into the life of a console. there is now way to spin that as the norm.

Its not the people here that sales figures should concern its the developers who are refusing to make Wii U games b/c of the low sales.

Its a cycle, no sale ---> no game...no game ---> no sale.
nintendo releases a bunch of 1st games, consoles sell, but 3rd parties can't compete with nintendo 1st parties.

its lose lose, unless a 3rd party game can come out and show there is a market for them on the Wii u.


Its not just that.

Its not ALWAYS going to be a cycle ( well its possible ). But right now the Wii U caught many of the games already in development.
So its like "Well, we WERE going to just release in on PS3 and 360, but should we release it for the wii U too? Nahhhh"

What it really needed was a game developed FOR the wii U, For the consoles core audience. Which is why Rayman Legends would have been so good for the console, and why it will be such a big deal when it finally does come out.


Dude it is a cycle look at Wii, it sold like 100 million units (total guess), now look at the top 20 selling games almost all nintendo 1st party. If you were a video game developer that would not be encouraging to see when making Wii games.

Even with such a huge base 3rd party games sold like crap on the Wii. A lot of it is just the fans themselves not p[laying anything but 1st party games.


The wii owners HAVE been buying those games.

They've just been buying them on the PS3/360 because wii has had gimped titles with gimped support.


Yeah you'd have to literally just have the Wii in order to consider some of those third party multi-plats worth buying over the versions on the alternative consoles.

Going way back Resident Evil 4 did rather well on the Wii, how did this early released 3rd party Wii title do better than later released ones? For one the Wii version was as good as the other versions and the motion control was implemented extremely well(in stark contrast to say Red Steel).