Nintendo has seriously messed up with Mario 3D land

#91SlimeSwayzePosted 6/23/2013 11:25:05 AM
Terotrous posted...
SlimeSwayze posted...
There are lots of ways they could design various co-op and competitive modes that would not revolve around getting from point A to point B. It's disconcerting to think that Nintendo wouldn't have devs and designers who are talented and creative enough to create fun online modes in a Mario game.

The thing is not everything is well-suited to being played online. For a game to work well online, it has to be very competitive. There can't be any overly dominant strategies or the game will not be fun, because that's all anyone will do and it will become monotonous.


Take a look at Mario Strikers Charged for example. Great party game, running around and hitting each other is fun and the game is really fast paced. Online? Not fun at all, because there's too many exploits that allow people to score in half a second from anywhere one the pitch. In order to make it a fun online game they'd have to tone down some of the aspects that make it fun to play offline.


There's a reason why 99% of all games that have online modes die out in less than 3 months. There are simply very few games that are well-balanced enough to have an online mode with a lot of lasting appeal.


That just sounds like a cop out. Nintendo has the talent and resources to implement fun online game modes to nearly any of their games that have a history of multiplayer modes, including Mario. They are simply choosing not to do it. And we're not talking about a soccer game. We're talking about Mario 3D World, specifically. If Nintendo can't figure out how to make fun and simple online modes to play in a game like Mario 3D, then they are truly lost. What kind of developer just throws there hands in the air and says, "I can't do it!", simply because there is a challenge?
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#92gameG3ni3Posted 6/23/2013 11:36:35 AM
The_Shadow_Link posted...
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Lord_Frood posted...
gameG3ni3 posted...
grandabx posted...
I just finished reading the thread about M3DL not having online multi-player and it came to me:

Nintendo's in SERIOUS trouble with this game.

This game is PERFECT for online competitive play. Why would you NOT have it? Money? Well, if THAT'S the case, it absolutely makes NO sense.

Nintendo needs to finally realize that you sometimes have to SPEND money to make money. They want to create a robust online experience right? How are you going to do that if you're not willing to invest at all?

Each person's screen would focus on the character they're playing with so you could go anywhere and not have worry about staying close to the others. You could be in another level and your screen could tell you what area your opponents are in and all kinds of things like everyone's scores and hidden goodie percentage.

Another problem with no online feature is a lack of convenience. You see, having to have multiple controller to play people in the same room is not very easy for most gamers to obtain and also very expensive. What if you decide to play the game late at night? What about those that live alone?

This game is supposed to sell WiiUs? How are they going to market:

1. ONLY local multi-player when not playing solo
2 NEED multiple additional controllers

to people who aren't familiar with the wii brand?

Buying a WiiU + M3DL + extra controllers = more than ps4(currently)


Anyone who thinks games ''have'' to have online mutiplayer are simply stupid as ****. If this is your way of thinking, then you grew up in the Halo and CoD generation of gaming and I feel sorry for you.

I'd rather Nintendo spend all of the budget making a rich and healthy single player Mario than waste and split money with an online-multiplayer mode.

Games like SSBU and Mario Kart 8 will be online multiplayer, and are much better suited for it than SM3DW. SM3DW is fine the way it is...LMP is all we need for it, OMP would be a sad joke.


This poor man's head is stuck in the 90s.


Derp, Derp, Derp...Everything should have online like CoD...derp, derp, derp.

This poor man is stuck in his teens...


If you going to focus on Multiplayer, Which this game is by the way, you should turn your attention to Online. That's just how gaming has evolved nowadays. And Local Multi Player can still exist with Online Multi Player, I know a lot of games don't have it, but there are those that do. If you going to want Nintendo to spend all the budget on a single player Mario than an Online Multiplayer, I'm surprised your ok with Multi-player in the game at all.


This game's focus is not multiplayer, local multiplayer is an option. Just because you can play multiplayer doesnt mean it's what the game is based around...it's not called Mario: Army of Two. Assuming it's ''focus'' is multiplayer because the option to play it that way exists is short-sighted.
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#93The_Shadow_LinkPosted 6/24/2013 4:17:21 AM
The_Shadow_Link posted...
gameG3ni3 posted...
Lord_Frood posted...
gameG3ni3 posted...
grandabx posted...
I just finished reading the thread about M3DL not having online multi-player and it came to me:

Nintendo's in SERIOUS trouble with this game.

This game is PERFECT for online competitive play. Why would you NOT have it? Money? Well, if THAT'S the case, it absolutely makes NO sense.

Nintendo needs to finally realize that you sometimes have to SPEND money to make money. They want to create a robust online experience right? How are you going to do that if you're not willing to invest at all?

Each person's screen would focus on the character they're playing with so you could go anywhere and not have worry about staying close to the others. You could be in another level and your screen could tell you what area your opponents are in and all kinds of things like everyone's scores and hidden goodie percentage.

Another problem with no online feature is a lack of convenience. You see, having to have multiple controller to play people in the same room is not very easy for most gamers to obtain and also very expensive. What if you decide to play the game late at night? What about those that live alone?

This game is supposed to sell WiiUs? How are they going to market:

1. ONLY local multi-player when not playing solo
2 NEED multiple additional controllers

to people who aren't familiar with the wii brand?

Buying a WiiU + M3DL + extra controllers = more than ps4(currently)

blah blah blah


This poor man's head is stuck in the 90s.


Derp, Derp, Derp...Everything should have online like CoD...derp, derp, derp.

This poor man is stuck in his teens...


If you going to focus on Multiplayer, Which this game is by the way, you should turn your attention to Online. That's just how gaming has evolved nowadays. And Local Multi Player can still exist with Online Multi Player, I know a lot of games don't have it, but there are those that do. If you going to want Nintendo to spend all the budget on a single player Mario than an Online Multiplayer, I'm surprised your ok with Multi-player in the game at all.


This game's focus is not multiplayer, local multiplayer is an option. Just because you can play multiplayer doesnt mean it's what the game is based around...it's not called Mario: Army of Two. Assuming it's ''focus'' is multiplayer because the option to play it that way exists is short-sighted.

No, I'm pretty certain multiplayer is the focus of the game. The levels have to be designed around the idea that 4 people have to platform through it at once, also for each character to beat each stage with their skill. It's what Nintendo have been heavily advertising about the game. Plus, if you go to the Super Mario 3D World Nintendo e3 page, the very first thing they say, the games tagline, is "Four Players + Three Dimensions = Super Mario Fun". The tagline specifically says Four Players. That sounds like Multiplayer is the focus of the game if you ask me.

http://e3.nintendo.com/games/detail/super-mario-3d-world/

Just because the title doesn't indicate multiplayer doesn't mean the game has a heavy focus on Multiplayer. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game doesn't indicate multiplayer in the title at all, yet that game is a 4 player beat-em-up in which multiplayer is a huge part of the game. And that game also has online multiplayer with it (Took awhile, but it does have it.)
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