What ever happened to the term "Console-style RPG"?

#11UponADarkThornePosted 8/20/2013 11:56:16 PM
Eoin posted...
The terms "console-style" and "PC-style" fell out of popularity when "PC-style" RPGs began appearing on console, and "console-style" RPGs started appearing on PC.

Besides, basing a genre on the kind of machine that a game appears on is about as silly as basing it on where the game is created.



The term only became popular this generation, maybe late last. In the 90's, there were Final Fantasy clones released exclusively on PC and they were still called "console-style" RPGs. The labels have nothing to do with what platform an individual game is on, but which direction the game went when Wizardry divided into Dragon Quest and Ultima.

Ultimately, however, I'd have no problems with the WRPG and JRPG labels if it wasn't for the fact that everyone wanted to force every game released into one of the two labels; Dark Souls isn't a JRPG or a WRPG, but an action RPG, Etrain Odyssey isn't a JRPG, it's a dungeon crawler, and Diablo isn't a WRPG, its a hack and slash.

Back when the "console-style" and "computer RPG" labels existed, people were more inclined to actually properly label games, rather than try and force it into a box where it doesn't belong.
#12badboyPosted 8/21/2013 12:15:28 AM
WRPGs and multiplayer shooters were almost (I'm aware of the few exceptions) exclusive to PCs, but after Microsoft joined the console industry, they brought them to consoles and made them popular there (Halo, Elder Scrolls, etc). Now calling JRPGs "console-style RPGs" doesn't make much sense because the most popular RPGs on consoles are actually quite different.
#13Emerald_MeliosPosted 8/21/2013 3:45:54 AM
UponADarkThorne posted...
The X-Box happened.

Some video game journalist who never played a role-playing game outside of Final Fantasy VII was told to review Morrowind by his boss and realized that other sorts of RPGs exist. Unfortunately, he didn't see that the game was the third Elder Scrolls game and decided to call this brand new and exciting genre a "Western" role-playing game as opposed to a "Japanese" role-playing game.

You know, despite since the NES years, people have been calling the games that followed the footsteps of Ultima "computer-style" RPGs and games that were created in the style of Dragon Quest "console-style" RPGs.

I personally hate the modern terms, since games like Etrain Odyssey get labelled "JRPG" despite the fact it's very much a dungeon crawler and Dark Souls get called a "Japanese developed WRPG" despite the fact that it's a ****ing action RPG, plain and simple. If people just actually gave a **** enough to realize the genre is far more varied than a mere two terms can describe...


That shift in terminology has always bothered me too. Etrian Odyssey, underneath the cute anime art, plays very much like an old-school computer RPG.
#14ChokusetsuPosted 8/21/2013 3:49:22 AM
WRPG and JRPG are not genres. There is "RPG" and there isn't.
End of story.
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#15JobocanPosted 8/21/2013 4:07:42 AM
Eoin posted...
The terms "console-style" and "PC-style" fell out of popularity when "PC-style" RPGs began appearing on console, and "console-style" RPGs started appearing on PC.


Which is stupid because they're still console-style RPGs and computer RPGs. Since the terms express distinction in gameplay, they're still valid.

JRPG and WRPG don't do that, people just think "it says where the game was made", which would be both wrong and stupid since the country of origin doesn't express gameplay style. There are western-made JRPGs and japanese-made WRPGs.
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#16NovaeGamerPosted 8/21/2013 4:21:44 AM
"console"- and "PC"-style RPGs are just older expressions for JRPG and WRPG.

It went somewhat like this:

There were RPGs, at some point there were RPGs that differed enough from each other to be called sub-genres;
at the beginning, these were the RPGs on computers (Elder scolls ect.) and the RPGs on consoles (Final Fantasy ect.). So they called these genres after the platforms they were on: "console-RPGs" and "PC-RPGs"

Since later these platform differences started to blurr, the genres were "renamed" after the origin of each genre; which were "W"(western) for the PC-RPGs and "J"(japan) for the console-RPGs.

Since then the terms JRPG and WRPG were used to difference the two genres;
And even when the GAME doesn't come from said area, the GENRE does.
#17DoramiPosted 8/21/2013 4:29:11 AM
The term was never in use. They were simply called "console RPGs" and computer RPGs."
e.g. here: http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html
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#18Emerald_MeliosPosted 8/21/2013 4:57:12 AM
It's too bad PC RPGs have sold their soul in past seven years and turned into twisted mockeries trying to imitate CoD's success.
#19Transdude(Topic Creator)Posted 8/21/2013 7:36:35 AM
Dorami posted...
The term was never in use. They were simply called "console RPGs" and computer RPGs."
e.g. here: http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html


That list applies to a lot of other games as well, but that list sums up console RPGs, manga, and anime.
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#20DoramiPosted 8/21/2013 7:47:39 AM
The point is not to say that the list is exclusive to console RPGs. It is to illustrate that the term was "console RPG" rather that "console-style RPG"--no more accurate than jRPG.

Of course, the fact that your immediate reaction is to bring up manga and anime suggests jRPG is a better term than console RPG.
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