Nintendo systems have never had a canon Metal Gear game

#71Maverick_ReznorPosted 10/11/2013 10:01:29 AM
CLupula posted...
Twin Snakes is definitely not canon.

Kojima gave away complete control of the cutscenes and said, specifically, to the one directing them that he could do whatever he wanted with them except make them exactly like they were in MGS1. So, Kojima had no hand in Snake doing any of the ridiculous, superhuman things that Snake could never do.

If someone wants to accept Twin Snakes as, say, Otacon's retelling of how MGS1 happened, that's fine, but it still wouldn't make it canon, since he's an unreliable narrator, with an inflated sense of what Snake is able to do.

The whole point of the Metal Gear series is that Snake, even if he's in peak shape for a human, is still only a human and can only do things a human can do.

Everyone else can be supernatural or insanely over-powered, but Snake is just a man.

As for the NES MG2, Kojima hated it so much, it inspired him to make MGS1, so that the series wouldn't be remembered as what the NES sequel, that he had nothing to do with, had been.

is cannon deal with it
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#72The_DOAMPosted 10/11/2013 10:04:22 AM
ukokira1 posted...
TalentedM posted...
You know you just said Metal Gear game right... Not Solid.

http://www.snakeyez.us/metalgear/Metal_Gear_boxfront.jpg


The NES Version is not canon.


*Whoosh*
TC said Metal Gear there are only two Metal Gear games....
If he stated Metal Gear Solid now that's a different story

Two different game series
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#73LinetrixPosted 10/11/2013 10:05:47 AM
Maverick_Reznor posted...
CLupula posted...
Twin Snakes is definitely not canon.

Kojima gave away complete control of the cutscenes and said, specifically, to the one directing them that he could do whatever he wanted with them except make them exactly like they were in MGS1. So, Kojima had no hand in Snake doing any of the ridiculous, superhuman things that Snake could never do.

If someone wants to accept Twin Snakes as, say, Otacon's retelling of how MGS1 happened, that's fine, but it still wouldn't make it canon, since he's an unreliable narrator, with an inflated sense of what Snake is able to do.

The whole point of the Metal Gear series is that Snake, even if he's in peak shape for a human, is still only a human and can only do things a human can do.

Everyone else can be supernatural or insanely over-powered, but Snake is just a man.

As for the NES MG2, Kojima hated it so much, it inspired him to make MGS1, so that the series wouldn't be remembered as what the NES sequel, that he had nothing to do with, had been.

is cannon deal with it


It may be cannon, but it definitely isn't canon. DWI.
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#74Dieselzone32450(Topic Creator)Posted 10/11/2013 10:29:12 AM
The_DOAM posted...
ukokira1 posted...
TalentedM posted...
You know you just said Metal Gear game right... Not Solid.

http://www.snakeyez.us/metalgear/Metal_Gear_boxfront.jpg


The NES Version is not canon.


*Whoosh*
TC said Metal Gear there are only two Metal Gear games....
If he stated Metal Gear Solid now that's a different story

Two different game series


*Facepalm*
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#75Christopher BelmontPosted 10/11/2013 10:40:10 AM
Uh... Wasn't the original NES Metal Gear canon? I think so. Yes, it had an MSX release as well but the NES one was a clone of that.

It was the NES' Snake's Revenge that wasn't canon and instead the MSX's Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that was.
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#76CLupulaPosted 10/11/2013 11:36:40 AM
Christopher Belmont posted...
Uh... Wasn't the original NES Metal Gear canon? I think so. Yes, it had an MSX release as well but the NES one was a clone of that.

It was the NES' Snake's Revenge that wasn't canon and instead the MSX's Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that was.


The NES one cut out a lot of stuff from the MSX version because of system limitations, including the last boss battle.

It is not cannon. The MSX version is.

Nor is Twin Snakes, as recently confirmed by members of Kojima's team, when asked why it wasn't in the Legacy Collection.
#77Maverick_ReznorPosted 10/11/2013 2:04:16 PM
CLupula posted...
Christopher Belmont posted...
Uh... Wasn't the original NES Metal Gear canon? I think so. Yes, it had an MSX release as well but the NES one was a clone of that.

It was the NES' Snake's Revenge that wasn't canon and instead the MSX's Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that was.


The NES one cut out a lot of stuff from the MSX version because of system limitations, including the last boss battle.

It is not cannon. The MSX version is.

Nor is Twin Snakes, as recently confirmed by members of Kojima's team, when asked why it wasn't in the Legacy Collection.


no twin snakes wasnt in the legacy collection because it combined mgs 1 and 2
seriously get over it. The game is cannon, the story is the same with updated graphics. Go cry a river
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#78ukokira1Posted 10/11/2013 2:20:32 PM
Christopher Belmont posted...
Uh... Wasn't the original NES Metal Gear canon? I think so. Yes, it had an MSX release as well but the NES one was a clone of that.

It was the NES' Snake's Revenge that wasn't canon and instead the MSX's Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that was.


No. In the NES version Snake fights a Super Computer instead of a Metal Gear.
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#79manmousePosted 10/11/2013 5:43:05 PM
The_DOAM posted...
ukokira1 posted...
TalentedM posted...
You know you just said Metal Gear game right... Not Solid.

http://www.snakeyez.us/metalgear/Metal_Gear_boxfront.jpg


The NES Version is not canon.


*Whoosh*
TC said Metal Gear there are only two Metal Gear games....
If he stated Metal Gear Solid now that's a different story

Two different game series


yeah there are two games called Metal Gear.
one on MSX, and one on NES. the MSX one was japan exclusive and made by Kojima, the NES one was a cheap copy lacking a lot of content and added in some of the worst material (like the intro section) and overall it's an entirely different game. Kojima had no involvement in the NES Metal Gear and has never acknowledged it as canon. the MSX game is.
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#80CLupulaPosted 10/12/2013 2:31:20 AM(edited)
Maverick_Reznor posted...
CLupula posted...
Christopher Belmont posted...
Uh... Wasn't the original NES Metal Gear canon? I think so. Yes, it had an MSX release as well but the NES one was a clone of that.

It was the NES' Snake's Revenge that wasn't canon and instead the MSX's Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake that was.


The NES one cut out a lot of stuff from the MSX version because of system limitations, including the last boss battle.

It is not cannon. The MSX version is.

Nor is Twin Snakes, as recently confirmed by members of Kojima's team, when asked why it wasn't in the Legacy Collection.


no twin snakes wasnt in the legacy collection because it combined mgs 1 and 2
seriously get over it. The game is cannon, the story is the same with updated graphics. Go cry a river


Instead of just being the annoying little sister whose only come back is, "No, you," let's see you back up this little claim of yours that Twin Snakes is canon. Please do show me a recent interview where Kojima or a member of KojiPro says that Twin Snakes is canon. Show me a direct quote from 2008 or later (since people have been using MGS4 as their very flimsy proof of its canon nature) from Kojima and I will believe it.

Otherwise, get over being wrong.

That was a remake made by Silicone Knights. We supervised it but we didnít create it directly and we wanted to make sure that everything in the HD Collection was canon. Everything that goes into there is something created directly by Kojima Productions and Kojima himself. So that is the reason why Twin Snakes was not included in HD Collection.


http://www.examiner.com/article/kojipro-explains-twin-snakes-exclusion-from-metal-gear-solid-hd-collection

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