Can nintendo win back third parties?

#11mini_blightPosted 2/18/2014 3:12:21 AM
DaLagga posted...
Pretty much this. Nintendo has always had an environment that was hostile to 3rd parties. Back in the NES and SNES eras though, 3rd party developers didn't really have a whole lot of choice when it came to putting games on Nintendo platforms because they were dominating the market. As soon as the PS1 came along though, most of the better 3rd party developers jumped ship and Nintendo has been hemorrhaging what little 3rd party support it had left for the past 15 years.


Wrong, if Nintendo was hostile to them they would have jumped ship to Sega or PC or stuck with arcades. They had options. If market domination was the reason why, then they would not have jumped ship to Sony. Sony had no experience in the console market and at the time was no different than Phillips or Panasonic.

The handheld market is dying quickly thanks to mobile gaming.


No, it's just suffering from increased competition. Nintendo can still make their handhelds. The only difference now is that they won't take as huge a risk as they did with the expensive 3DS.
#12edigital23Posted 2/18/2014 3:43:51 AM
Baby steps, but eventually. Pending they move forward. Guys who wrote on this topic are right, they need new management, new blood.
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#13ChA0TiCoNePosted 2/18/2014 3:49:55 AM(edited)
Nintendo charges more royalties than Sony or Microsoft. Why should the 3rd party devs pay more royalties to Nintendo to release games on a system with a lower install base? Nintendo simply isn't in the position to be making demands like they used to. The days of "go Nintendo or go home" is over. Its been over since 5th gen. But Nintendo still maintains that mindset. You got too many old people working at Nintendo who are stuck in their ways. They refuse to accept defeat and face reality that they're no longer king **** on the block anymore.

Someone needs to remind Nintendo that the top 2 selling consoles of all time are Sony consoles. And this happened because Nintendo seriously screwed up in 5th gen.
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#14AvirosbPosted 2/18/2014 4:04:28 AM
ChA0TiCoNe posted...
They refuse to accept defeat and face reality that they're no longer king **** on the block anymore.
Video games: Thems be serious business I says.
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#15Haley Joel OsmentPosted 2/18/2014 4:14:31 AM
I don't think there's much chance of Western third parties coming back on board, no. There's still a lot of bad blood around over how Nintendo treated third parties when they were on top of the industry, and there are a lot of people still around from those days who are very much enjoying twisting the knife now. Even putting that aside, I don't think the Wii U will ever be a profitable platform for "AAA" big budget games, and I think there's zero chance of companies like EA or Bethesda releasing anything for it going forward.

Japanese third parties... maybe. If the Wii U ever carves out its own niche and it's viable to bring some smaller projects to it, I think that's certainly possible. I wouldn't expect time and resources to be devoted to downports of PS4/Xbone games though.

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#16darkbusterPosted 2/22/2014 12:58:50 PM
No. At least not anytime soon without taking such an extreme that they would spiritually no longer be Nintendo, or a massive shift in the gaming consumer market. There's a lot of reasons for this but a big one is in the shift of the industry's dynamic. Atari, Sega, & Nintendo designed consoles that were going to be used by them, first & foremost. They designed versatile & high profile titles to build a userbase, & third parties were left to choose from that; it's a philosophy that is very visible when you look at games such as Super Mario 64 & Shenmue. The Playstation & Xbox aren't built specifically for Sony or Microsoft; infact, the original Playstation was a souped up SNES with a disc drive, fueled from the spite of a revenge plot. The PS1 succeeded heavily because the use of discs that allowed all those CG intensive & pre-rendered scenes, plus freeing third parties from the cartridge leash; the fact it was derived from a system both consumers & developers were already well familiar with probably didn't hurt either. Now, Sony & Microsoft design consoles primarily for third parties, & are wiling to pay them off for content, something Nintendo isn't likely going to readily embrace. Why this isn't a big issue for Nintendo's handhelds probably has a lot to do with the most successful attempts on Nintendo's handheld empire were the PSP & Wonderswan Color, & the latter had the benefit of being born from the same mind as the Gameboy.

The practice of pandering a platform to third parties is only logical for Sony & MS, since their first party is overall nothing comparable to Sega, Atari, & Nintendo; just ask yourself who who would you consider to be their EAD, Intelligent Systems, Sonic Team (in their prime obviously), or any of the AM studios. Two of Microsoft's most successful IP's were by commission & eventual purchase, respectively. Sony & MS's machines aren't just designed for third parties, but they more or less HAVE to; could you truly see either successfully carrying a console primarily on their own efforts like Nintendo does? The biggest instances of Sony & Microsoft designed for themselves ended up with the early PS3 having a pricy Blu-ray player & everything about the XBONE pre-launch & the Kinect 2.0, yet third parties gave them decent support anyway.
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#17Neo_HeartlessPosted 2/22/2014 1:02:32 PM
ChA0TiCoNe posted...
Nintendo charges more royalties than Sony or Microsoft. Why should the 3rd party devs pay more royalties to Nintendo to release games on a system with a lower install base? Nintendo simply isn't in the position to be making demands like they used to. The days of "go Nintendo or go home" is over. Its been over since 5th gen. But Nintendo still maintains that mindset. You got too many old people working at Nintendo who are stuck in their ways. They refuse to accept defeat and face reality that they're no longer king **** on the block anymore.

Someone needs to remind Nintendo that the top 2 selling consoles of all time are Sony consoles. And this happened because Nintendo seriously screwed up in 5th gen.


Not to sound like Lefty but do you have proof they charge more royalties? That seems really silly considering how iffy their situation is with the WiiU, and this increased charge certainly didn't seem to deter the low budget companies that crap out shovelware.
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