What happened to Metroid?

#31AceMosPosted 5/18/2014 1:11:09 PM
n00bsaib0t posted...
AceMos posted...
Kuribo4 posted...
LoZ_123 posted...
Arcvalons posted...
Read somewhere that Miyamoto was biased against MP from the beginning, but I hope they do more Metroid Primes someday. One continuing after Fusion maybe.


I'm pretty sure Miyamoto helped out with designing the Prime games. You might be thinking of Sakamoto who's commonly regarded as one of the main guys behind Super and was instrumental in creating the abomination known as Other M. He does seem to have some bias against the Primes what with him basically calling them non-canon, but I don't have much faith in his opinions anymore because that one is bad and he made Other M.


It isn't a bad opinion. He is an artist, his work is Metroid. If some fan creates a fan fic, does he need to acknowledge it? No. Same with Retro's MP.
Other M I haven't played.


other M does not jsut contradict the prime games it contradicts zero mission metroid 2 super metroid and metroid fusion

and sakamoto walked away from metroid retro kept pushing it forward

if he was a real artist and if he truely cared about the franchise he would have sat down and played all 3 prime games to see what had been done with the franchise


That's not how it works. If someone else makes games with your IP you don't have to acknowledge them. When Capcom let Arika make the Street Fighter EX series, they never once acknowledged it in the main series, it's 100% non canon. That's what MP is now. It doesn't mean its bad, it just means that story wise it isn't relevant.


sakamoto does not own the metroid IP NINTENDO does

the prime games create no plot holes and fit perfectly in the metroid time line

even with out the prime games other M is full of plot holes to the metroid franchise

ITS OWN STORY has plot holes and characters not making any sense
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#32Kuribo4Posted 5/18/2014 1:12:12 PM
AceMos posted...
Kuribo4 posted...
LoZ_123 posted...
Arcvalons posted...
Read somewhere that Miyamoto was biased against MP from the beginning, but I hope they do more Metroid Primes someday. One continuing after Fusion maybe.


I'm pretty sure Miyamoto helped out with designing the Prime games. You might be thinking of Sakamoto who's commonly regarded as one of the main guys behind Super and was instrumental in creating the abomination known as Other M. He does seem to have some bias against the Primes what with him basically calling them non-canon, but I don't have much faith in his opinions anymore because that one is bad and he made Other M.


It isn't a bad opinion. He is an artist, his work is Metroid. If some fan creates a fan fic, does he need to acknowledge it? No. Same with Retro's MP.
Other M I haven't played.


other M does not jsut contradict the prime games it contradicts zero mission metroid 2 super metroid and metroid fusion

and sakamoto walked away from metroid retro kept pushing it forward

if he was a real artist and if he truely cared about the franchise he would have sat down and played all 3 prime games to see what had been done with the franchise


He was a supervisor for MP I think. Also I want to clarify, if he doesn't count them as part of Metroid, that does not mean he doesn't like them.
And since Metroid always had a simple plot I don't think it's bad the first one that has more depth to it contradicts the older ones. I am just talking about it in general though, I haven't played it so I don't want to talk too much.
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#33Kuribo4Posted 5/18/2014 1:15:54 PM
AceMos posted...
kuribo i dont think you know how writing a narative works nor do i think you have ever played a metroid game i allreyad listed the bits of her personality from before other M

other M goes against established facts of her character


You don't need to tell me I don't know about writing. -.- That kind of offends me. I'm very interested in art.
The reason I'm saying it is because she really wasn't a character before. For all we know she freaked out in Metroid and Super Metroid when she saw Ridley. It just wasn't shown. Sakamoto always said he knew how her mind worked and wanted to show us.

Many people don't like her because she is "weak" now apparently (I'm not saying that's your case), and that makes no sense. Also ther is nothing more bada.. than fighting even when you are afraid.
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#34Kuribo4Posted 5/18/2014 1:17:39 PM
n00bsaib0t posted...
AceMos posted...
Kuribo4 posted...
LoZ_123 posted...
Arcvalons posted...
Read somewhere that Miyamoto was biased against MP from the beginning, but I hope they do more Metroid Primes someday. One continuing after Fusion maybe.


I'm pretty sure Miyamoto helped out with designing the Prime games. You might be thinking of Sakamoto who's commonly regarded as one of the main guys behind Super and was instrumental in creating the abomination known as Other M. He does seem to have some bias against the Primes what with him basically calling them non-canon, but I don't have much faith in his opinions anymore because that one is bad and he made Other M.


It isn't a bad opinion. He is an artist, his work is Metroid. If some fan creates a fan fic, does he need to acknowledge it? No. Same with Retro's MP.
Other M I haven't played.


other M does not jsut contradict the prime games it contradicts zero mission metroid 2 super metroid and metroid fusion

and sakamoto walked away from metroid retro kept pushing it forward

if he was a real artist and if he truely cared about the franchise he would have sat down and played all 3 prime games to see what had been done with the franchise


That's not how it works. If someone else makes games with your IP you don't have to acknowledge them. When Capcom let Arika make the Street Fighter EX series, they never once acknowledged it in the main series, it's 100% non canon. That's what MP is now. It doesn't mean its bad, it just means that story wise it isn't relevant.


The way I see it: MP contains the Metroid story, but Metroid doesn't contain the MP story.
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#35AceMosPosted 5/18/2014 1:19:27 PM
Kuribo4 posted...
AceMos posted...
Kuribo4 posted...
LoZ_123 posted...
Arcvalons posted...
Read somewhere that Miyamoto was biased against MP from the beginning, but I hope they do more Metroid Primes someday. One continuing after Fusion maybe.


I'm pretty sure Miyamoto helped out with designing the Prime games. You might be thinking of Sakamoto who's commonly regarded as one of the main guys behind Super and was instrumental in creating the abomination known as Other M. He does seem to have some bias against the Primes what with him basically calling them non-canon, but I don't have much faith in his opinions anymore because that one is bad and he made Other M.


It isn't a bad opinion. He is an artist, his work is Metroid. If some fan creates a fan fic, does he need to acknowledge it? No. Same with Retro's MP.
Other M I haven't played.


other M does not jsut contradict the prime games it contradicts zero mission metroid 2 super metroid and metroid fusion

and sakamoto walked away from metroid retro kept pushing it forward

if he was a real artist and if he truely cared about the franchise he would have sat down and played all 3 prime games to see what had been done with the franchise


He was a supervisor for MP I think. Also I want to clarify, if he doesn't count them as part of Metroid, that does not mean he doesn't like them.
And since Metroid always had a simple plot I don't think it's bad the first one that has more depth to it contradicts the older ones. I am just talking about it in general though, I haven't played it so I don't want to talk too much.


thats just it you should not have to bend an entire franchise to make your plot work

and again samus had estbalished characterization in all other metroids even the 2D ones

and again other M has plot holes in its own story even if it was a stand alone game its plot is so full of plot holes it looks like something a 5 year old wrote

its gameplay 100% fails as a metroid game

its music is generic

all of the original bosses so forgetable

its new characters are so painfully generic that even a low buget direct to video scifi film would luagh at them

and the biggest sin of all the player character contributes nothing to the plot samus could not show up and every thing would play out the same
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#36n00bsaib0tPosted 5/18/2014 1:19:47 PM
AceMos posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
AceMos posted...
Kuribo4 posted...
LoZ_123 posted...
I'm pretty sure Miyamoto helped out with designing the Prime games. You might be thinking of Sakamoto who's commonly regarded as one of the main guys behind Super and was instrumental in creating the abomination known as Other M. He does seem to have some bias against the Primes what with him basically calling them non-canon, but I don't have much faith in his opinions anymore because that one is bad and he made Other M.


It isn't a bad opinion. He is an artist, his work is Metroid. If some fan creates a fan fic, does he need to acknowledge it? No. Same with Retro's MP.
Other M I haven't played.


other M does not jsut contradict the prime games it contradicts zero mission metroid 2 super metroid and metroid fusion

and sakamoto walked away from metroid retro kept pushing it forward

if he was a real artist and if he truely cared about the franchise he would have sat down and played all 3 prime games to see what had been done with the franchise


That's not how it works. If someone else makes games with your IP you don't have to acknowledge them. When Capcom let Arika make the Street Fighter EX series, they never once acknowledged it in the main series, it's 100% non canon. That's what MP is now. It doesn't mean its bad, it just means that story wise it isn't relevant.


sakamoto does not own the metroid IP NINTENDO does

the prime games create no plot holes and fit perfectly in the metroid time line

even with out the prime games other M is full of plot holes to the metroid franchise

ITS OWN STORY has plot holes and characters not making any sense


I'm aware of what company owns the IP. It can't be both ways though, if Inafune is the father of Mega Man and it's his series despite being owned by Capcom, then the same applies to Sakamoto and Metroid.

And it doesn't matter what you want to be canon and what fits better. If Sakamoto says it's not canon, even if Other M is a mess by itself, then MP isn't canon. Is it a stupid decision? Sure. But it's his decision, not yours.
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#37GoombacrusherPosted 5/18/2014 1:20:25 PM
Arcvalons posted...
Read somewhere that Miyamoto was biased against MP from the beginning,


It was his idea to make it first-person, so I don't know where you're getting this
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#38AceMosPosted 5/18/2014 1:22:42 PM
Kuribo4 posted...
AceMos posted...
kuribo i dont think you know how writing a narative works nor do i think you have ever played a metroid game i allreyad listed the bits of her personality from before other M

other M goes against established facts of her character


You don't need to tell me I don't know about writing. -.- That kind of offends me. I'm very interested in art.
The reason I'm saying it is because she really wasn't a character before. For all we know she freaked out in Metroid and Super Metroid when she saw Ridley. It just wasn't shown. Sakamoto always said he knew how her mind worked and wanted to show us.

Many people don't like her because she is "weak" now apparently (I'm not saying that's your case), and that makes no sense. Also ther is nothing more bada.. than fighting even when you are afraid.


stop talking out of you ass the super nintendo could have shown dialog if samus was afraid

heck the fight with mother brain has fresh animations made for it just to show samus is NOT passed out and still trying to stand agains mother brain

the most inportant rule of writing is SHOW DONT TELL other M TELLS us things but never shows us any thing

all the other metroids SHOWED us who samus was with her actions as i said the canon ending to super metroid is her risking her life on a exploding planet to save some animals

the samus in other M would never do that she would not even be able to acomplish what was done in super metroid

the samus shown in other M would not be able to operate a shoe box

other M has her passed out
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#39Kuribo4Posted 5/18/2014 1:23:20 PM
sakamoto does not own the metroid IP NINTENDO does

the prime games create no plot holes and fit perfectly in the metroid time line

even with out the prime games other M is full of plot holes to the metroid franchise

ITS OWN STORY has plot holes and characters not making any sense


Nintendo owns it. Yeah but it's Sakamoto's work from an artistic POV.
Metroid Prime creates no plot holes. I'm sure there are fanfics that create no plot holes. Doesn't make them part of the story. Sakamoto just doesn't like the idea of MP ocurring. Metroid 2 probably was supposed to occur right after Metroid. MP is a retcon. Also, you have an excuse in the older Metroids, but the MPs are 3D games and you clearly see Samus doesn't freak out with Ridley. Sakamoto probably doesn't like that.

As I said earlier the early games had a simple plot so the first plot with depth to it having plot holes isn't a problem. As for the game on its own, its quality, I can't speak for that.
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#40AceMosPosted 5/18/2014 1:25:25 PM
n00b the reason we have X6 7 and 8 is becuse of capcom those games are canon to megaman even thoe inafune didnt want them to be

and sakamoto never said the prime games are none canon he said they are a side story

and guess what otehr M cant fit with ANY METROID the plot holes are just to large

its ment to lead into fusion but it cant as the plots can not fit in the same universe
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