From Sakurai's column in Famitsu, Miyamoto asked for Pac Man in Brawl (Article).

#21AhnoldDoodPosted 7/3/2014 7:14:59 AM
Spookyryu posted...
This game is epic because Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pacman will fight each other, for those who are too young doesn't understand why is a huge deal having him on the roaster


Ah, the classic Roast of Pac-Man.
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#22SpookyryuPosted 7/3/2014 7:17:44 AM
AhnoldDood posted...
Spookyryu posted...
This game is epic because Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pacman will fight each other, for those who are too young doesn't understand why is a huge deal having him on the roaster


Ah, the classic Roast of Pac-Man.


my phone corrected, sorry
#23AhnoldDoodPosted 7/3/2014 7:20:37 AM
Spookyryu posted...
AhnoldDood posted...
Spookyryu posted...
This game is epic because Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pacman will fight each other, for those who are too young doesn't understand why is a huge deal having him on the roaster


Ah, the classic Roast of Pac-Man.


my phone corrected, sorry


It's all good.
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#24pillsburyboy22Posted 7/3/2014 7:21:58 AM
Yoshinator posted...
DeathSnipe777 posted...
Yoshinator posted...
I shoulda known he was behind this

Why do they even let him near games after Sticker Star?


wat


There was this game called Paper Mario Sticker Star that was going to be awesome until Miyamoto came along and was like "What's this? Characters? Story? Humor? FUN!?! GET RID OF IT! I WANT NSMB THE RPG!" and then forced them to remove everything good about the series and make the blandest game possible.


This actually isn't true at all. What happened was the developers of Intelligent Systems were struggling to come up with ideas and settings for the story so they went to ask Miyamoto for help. Miyamoto told them that a good Mario game doesn't have to have a good story. The developers then said "F*** it" and basically got rid of the entire story.

It wasn't that Miyamoto forced them to get rid of the story, it was that the developers took Miyamoto's advice too much to heart.
#25DMZappPosted 7/3/2014 11:57:33 AM
pillsburyboy22 posted...
Yoshinator posted...
DeathSnipe777 posted...
Yoshinator posted...
I shoulda known he was behind this

Why do they even let him near games after Sticker Star?


wat


There was this game called Paper Mario Sticker Star that was going to be awesome until Miyamoto came along and was like "What's this? Characters? Story? Humor? FUN!?! GET RID OF IT! I WANT NSMB THE RPG!" and then forced them to remove everything good about the series and make the blandest game possible.


This actually isn't true at all. What happened was the developers of Intelligent Systems were struggling to come up with ideas and settings for the story so they went to ask Miyamoto for help. Miyamoto told them that a good Mario game doesn't have to have a good story. The developers then said "F*** it" and basically got rid of the entire story.

It wasn't that Miyamoto forced them to get rid of the story, it was that the developers took Miyamoto's advice too much to heart.


I... don't remember IS ever saying anything about struggling with story ideas. And I got from the Iwata Asks interview for SS that Miyamoto wasn't actually offering them a choice.

That said, wanting Pac-Man in SSB4 was a good idea of Miyamoto's.
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#26arvilinoPosted 7/3/2014 12:36:44 PM(edited)
DMZapp posted...

I... don't remember IS ever saying anything about struggling with story ideas. And I got from the Iwata Asks interview for SS that Miyamoto wasn't actually offering them a choice.

That said, wanting Pac-Man in SSB4 was a good idea of Miyamoto's.


Actually Miyamoto was just suggesting that the game doesn't necessarily have to have a story and would be fine without one. The person in charge of the script already agreed with him, with the reasoning that as a portable games are typically played in smaller chunks, a lengthy story isn't necessary.


Iwata

That project came together because of that idea. Kudo-san, you were in charge of the script, so what did you think about whether a story was really necessary or not?

Kudo

I originally saw it in a way that's similar to Miyamoto-san. Personally I think all we need is to have an objective to win the boss battle at the end of the game. I didn't think we necessarily needed a lengthy story like in an RPG. Instead, we looked at the characteristics of a portable game that can be played little by little in small pieces and packed in lots of little episodes and ideas. I always did like putting in little ideas, so I actually enjoyed it.


I'd agree, if someone wanted to play for 15 minutes, loaded up the game and then had to sit through a typical console RPG scenes there would be sessions where they wouldn't actually do any gameplay. Trying to put a console style game on a handheld isn't always a good idea unless it's already suited to shorter pick up and play sessions.

Pacman in Smash Bros is also a good call from Miyamoto.
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#27R_HunterPosted 7/3/2014 12:25:23 PM
Spookyryu posted...
This game is epic because Mario, Sonic, Mega Man and Pacman will fight each other, for those who are too young doesn't understand why is a huge deal having him on the roster


Exactly. I wish I could build a time machine, so I could go back and high five my four-year old self.
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#28iKhanicPosted 7/3/2014 12:28:32 PM
Yoshinator posted...
Avirosb posted...
Yoshinator posted...
There was this game called Paper Mario Sticker Star that was going to be awesome until Miyamoto came along and was like "What's this? Characters? Story? Humor? FUN!?! GET RID OF IT! I WANT NSMB THE RPG!" and then forced them to remove everything good about the series and make the blandest game possible.
You must've misread. He didn't want to remove Pac-Man, he wanted to add him.


I know, that's what makes it so awful.

Pac-Man is probably the most uninspired and overrated character ever.


Mickey Mouse says hi.
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#29iKhanicPosted 7/3/2014 12:29:09 PM
Also, DAMMIT HIGUCHI HAVE A BACKBONE AND ASK SAKURAI FOR LLOYD.
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#30squatch22Posted 7/3/2014 12:31:27 PM
Yoshinator posted...
Avirosb posted...
Yoshinator posted...
There was this game called Paper Mario Sticker Star that was going to be awesome until Miyamoto came along and was like "What's this? Characters? Story? Humor? FUN!?! GET RID OF IT! I WANT NSMB THE RPG!" and then forced them to remove everything good about the series and make the blandest game possible.
You must've misread. He didn't want to remove Pac-Man, he wanted to add him.


I know, that's what makes it so awful.

Pac-Man is probably the most uninspired and overrated character ever.


Ah, new user troll account
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