I just realized how much technical depth Super Mario Sunshine has

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11 months ago#31
Watt64 posted...
MithrilMonarch posted...
Sunshine is definitely the best 3D Mario if you're one of those stupid purists who doesn't count 3D Land and 3D World.

Otherwise, 3D Land and 3D World are above it. Sunshine is a great game, and while it has tons of flaws, it's just so fun to play. I wish it was a tad more difficult though, it felt too easy to me compared to 64 and Galaxy.

I personally find it the hardest out of those three games.


64 is a constant fight with the awful controls and annoying camera, so it's easily the toughest in my opinion. Then Super Mario Galaxy has a handful of Stars that are just a massive pain to get, while the rest are relatively tame.

Super Mario Sunshine's were tame for the most part. Even then, the hardest ones, like the F.L.U.D.D.-less missions, are nothing that will make you tear your hair out. Then every other 'hard' Shine, like the Lilypad and the Pachinko Machine, were nothing more than a little bit tricky.

If we include 3D Land/World, I think 3D Land is the easiest, nothing gave me a hard time, and the controls were so perfect that all deaths were my fault. Then 3D World gets pretty brutal in the post-game.

High <-- Low Difficulty
64 DS <-- 64 <-- Galaxy <-- 3D World <-- Sunshine <-- 3D Land

I have yet to play Galaxy 2, so I can't really give an opinion on it.
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11 months ago#32
I agree that Sunshine has truckloads of technical depth. Mario Sunshine is an absolute delight just to control, before you even talk about level design.
11 months ago#33
MithrilMonarch posted...
Watt64 posted...
MithrilMonarch posted...
Sunshine is definitely the best 3D Mario if you're one of those stupid purists who doesn't count 3D Land and 3D World.

Otherwise, 3D Land and 3D World are above it. Sunshine is a great game, and while it has tons of flaws, it's just so fun to play. I wish it was a tad more difficult though, it felt too easy to me compared to 64 and Galaxy.

I personally find it the hardest out of those three games.


64 is a constant fight with the awful controls and annoying camera, so it's easily the toughest in my opinion. Then Super Mario Galaxy has a handful of Stars that are just a massive pain to get, while the rest are relatively tame.

Super Mario Sunshine's were tame for the most part. Even then, the hardest ones, like the F.L.U.D.D.-less missions, are nothing that will make you tear your hair out. Then every other 'hard' Shine, like the Lilypad and the Pachinko Machine, were nothing more than a little bit tricky.

If we include 3D Land/World, I think 3D Land is the easiest, nothing gave me a hard time, and the controls were so perfect that all deaths were my fault. Then 3D World gets pretty brutal in the post-game.

High <-- Low Difficulty
64 DS <-- 64 <-- Galaxy <-- 3D World <-- Sunshine <-- 3D Land

I have yet to play Galaxy 2, so I can't really give an opinion on it.


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11 months ago#34
Rukumouru posted...
I agree that Sunshine has truckloads of technical depth. Mario Sunshine is an absolute delight just to control, before you even talk about level design.


There's something joyous just watersliding and turbo-nozzling throughout most of the worlds!
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11 months ago#35
Xenesis Xenon posted...
Rukumouru posted...
I agree that Sunshine has truckloads of technical depth. Mario Sunshine is an absolute delight just to control, before you even talk about level design.


There's something joyous just watersliding and turbo-nozzling throughout most of the worlds!


I'm getting wet just thinking about it
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11 months ago#36
Yeah, there's a lot of freedom in Sunshine's movement. I love how versatile Mario is as soon as he grabs FLUDD. It's a pity that the game's structure isn't as flexible, though. You're always forced to collect the exact same 49 Shines to beat the game, and half of the Shines involve some sort of coin collection. If you could pick any 60-70 Shines to collect like SM64/Galaxy, it could have been the best 3D Mario.
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11 months ago#37
best atmosphere, best 3d mario for sure.
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11 months ago#38
Indeed, I find Sunshine to have some of the best controls of any game I've ever played. It's just so satisfying to run around doing acrobatic tricks even if you're not trying to beat the game.
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11 months ago#39
Has anyone actually tried these moves?

who hasn't? NPCs and signs mention them
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11 months ago#40
sketchturner posted...
Indeed, I find Sunshine to have some of the best controls of any game I've ever played. It's just so satisfying to run around doing acrobatic tricks even if you're not trying to beat the game.


This is so true. My biggest complaint with the Galaxy games and almost every "3d" Mario game since is how they made the controls way too tight and made Mario move too slow. It's no longer possible to do any of the acrobatics possible in Sunshine. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer SM64 controls to the Galaxy games.
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