Here's why the Wii U has second place on lock this gen.

#41VanderZooPosted 7/23/2014 7:29:43 AM
sonicsonic posted...
vermilion99 posted...
This topic makes no sense.

The 360 and PS3 shared many of the same 3rd party titles and both sold, what, 70-80 mil worldwide. There is definitely a market there for those brands. The WiiU on the other hand is back to being a console mainly for Nintendo fans. It doesn't have the motion controls that captured the worlds attention for a few years and made the Wii a secondary console and a console that casuals would buy. Instead it's back to a normal controller and franchises that will sell to the hardcore Nintendo fan base like the GCN did. Problem is, the U has much worse 3rd Party support than the GCN did. The original Xbox outsold the GameCube by a small margin even with Nintendos offerings and decent 3rd party support. Why would u think the WiiU will stay ahead of the One with Nintendos offerings and no 3rd party support?


True, the PS3 and 360 sharing a lot of 3rd party titles and the 360 still selling well cannot be denied. However, you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that the 360 was released first, the PS3 was awfully priced and now this gen the PS4 is priced competitively and Microsoft have had to release a SKU dropping Kinect.

Sony dropped the ball last gen, they picked it back up if you are comparing PS4 to X1.


Well it was the opposite last gen, there were no real reasons to get a 3rd party game on PS3 over a 360. More people had a 360, the online was better, most people preferred the controller, 360 version's got more DLC either exclusive or first, and they generally ran better.

Yet, PS3 still sold well primarily because of 3rd party support.

The same will be true for the XB1, as long as it has 3rd party support, it will do well. It might not do better than the PS4, but it will certainly do better than the Wii U.

I'll say it again - more games, more sales. That's what it always comes down to.
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#42Arucaurd(Topic Creator)Posted 7/23/2014 7:31:42 AM
BahamutBBob posted...
Most of the CoD fanboys will likely still be Xbots. Plus the dudebro third party exclusives.


Well, sales of the last CoD game tell a different story. PS4 CoD outsold XB1 version by a large margin, and that was very early in the gen before PS4 was almost doubling XB1 sales worldwide.

The 360 and PS3 shared many of the same 3rd party titles and both sold, what, 70-80 mil worldwide. There is definitely a market there for those brands.


The difference between 360 and PS3 versions were negligible compared to PS4 vs XB1 gap. The PS3 was actually more powerful than the XB1 but sucked to program for and was much less popular early on, so games were made for 360 then ported to PS3. Now PS4 is more popular, more powerful, and much easier to program for, so games are developed on PS4 then chopped down for XB1 version. That's before we talk about the advantages in exclusive content for those games, and Sony's control over advertisements.

Then there's something else you overlooked. 360 stayed in the lead for a long time because they owned the third party market. Sony made up for it by having a lineup of vastly superior exclusives. The PS4 has removed the only advantage Microsoft had, third parties, and now has the multiplats AND first parties over XB1.

XB1 vs Wii U is a repeat of the XB vs GCN, but with one major difference. The only reason the original XB didn't curl up and die was the revolutionary multiplayer of Halo. That ship has sailed though because every FPS to come out now has those online features, so it's no longer a driving force unique to Microsoft's system.
#43vermilion99Posted 7/23/2014 7:33:21 AM
sonicsonic posted...
vermilion99 posted...
This topic makes no sense.

The 360 and PS3 shared many of the same 3rd party titles and both sold, what, 70-80 mil worldwide. There is definitely a market there for those brands. The WiiU on the other hand is back to being a console mainly for Nintendo fans. It doesn't have the motion controls that captured the worlds attention for a few years and made the Wii a secondary console and a console that casuals would buy. Instead it's back to a normal controller and franchises that will sell to the hardcore Nintendo fan base like the GCN did. Problem is, the U has much worse 3rd Party support than the GCN did. The original Xbox outsold the GameCube by a small margin even with Nintendos offerings and decent 3rd party support. Why would u think the WiiU will stay ahead of the One with Nintendos offerings and no 3rd party support?


True, the PS3 and 360 sharing a lot of 3rd party titles and the 360 still selling well cannot be denied. However, you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that the 360 was released first, the PS3 was awfully priced and now this gen the PS4 is priced competitively and Microsoft have had to release a SKU dropping Kinect.

Sony dropped the ball last gen, they picked it back up if you are comparing PS4 to X1.


Correct. Sony learned a lot last generation and are doing a great job. But thinking the WiiU will be "second" and sell more in the long run than the XboxOne has no logic behind it. The original Xbox beat the GameCube by a small margin even with the GCN receiving decent 3rd Party support and having the Nintendo exclusives. The Wii, with its motion based controls, has been proven to have been a fad. People enjoyed it then moved on. So now Nintendo is back to the audience that purchased the GCN but now has no 3rd Party support. Pretty safe assumption that the XboxOne will surpass it. Especially once a steady stream of games starts being released.
#44GeminiX7Posted 7/23/2014 7:35:11 AM
Arucaurd posted...
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This is purely subjective. Some people will agree with you. Some people will agree that Nintendo's first party library is better but disagree with you saying it's "vastly superior". Others will just outright disagree. Presenting this as objective fact is silly.


I'm not talking from a subjective point though, I'm using sales numbers, which are hard data. A spinoff of the Mario franchise outsold two generations of Halo sales with just two games.

This isn't last generation. Mario titles aren't selling like that this generation. NSMB, 3D World and Mario Kart 8 have all sold very well, but clearly none of them have pushed the Wii U into the kind of territory that makes it impossible for the Xbox One to catch. If "Mario titles alone" were going to ensure second place for the Wii U this generation, then they'd already have done so.


They are still selling better than the XB1's titles and Wii U is still currently selling at #2 weekly. It's still too early to show for certain with absolute numbers, but it isn't trending well for XB1 seeing how poor its software sales are.

Your argument originally was that the Xbox One was going to lose to the Wii U because the Xbox One was losing to the PS4 in an area where the Wii U lost to the PS4 even more badly. Now you've improved that, giving areas where the Wii U really might have advantages over the Xbox One, but you're downplaying what the Xbox One has and overplaying the Wii U's advantages - giving historical reasons that no longer apply, or simply declaring a subjective preference to be objective fact.


Yeah but it's always painfully obvious that third parties have never been a big part of the Nintendo game plan, so even if the Wii U is completely cut out of the third party market, it's not as big a blow to them, because they're focusing on first parties which is unaffected. Almost the entirety of the XB1's "major" releases are multiplats, and Sony is taking an ever growing share of that market. They only have 2 real killer apps.

Historical reasons can show trends that aren't easily bucked.


The problem with your argument is that, again, WiiU is only focusing on 1st party titles, as you said, and it's highest selling 1st party title, MK, didn't sell all that well(sold well compared to other WiiU titles, but that's not saying much). Based on selling trends of the past(and common sense) you wouldn't expect any major sale surges because the system doesn't have those "wildcard" third party titles.

X1, on the other hand, focuses more on multiplats with a few HUGE first parties(if going by MS's past). None of those big games are even out yet. Now, if the X1 is keeping pace with the WiiU when the WiiU is using it's best and the X1 is barely using anything at all, what do you think will happen when the big name X1 games start pumping out? What magical BS do you think is going to keep the WiiU in second place?
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#45Arucaurd(Topic Creator)Posted 7/23/2014 7:35:26 AM
I'll say it again - more games, more sales. That's what it always comes down to.


Except the share for XB1's sales of those "more games" is bad and looks to be getting worse.
#46VanderZooPosted 7/23/2014 7:41:46 AM
Arucaurd posted...
I'll say it again - more games, more sales. That's what it always comes down to.


Except the share for XB1's sales of those "more games" is bad and looks to be getting worse.


In comparison to the PS4, but we're talking about XB1 vs Wii U here. And these 3rd party games will give a boost to XB1, but not Wii U because they don't exist on Wii U.
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#47GeminiX7Posted 7/23/2014 7:47:18 AM
Arucaurd posted...
I'll say it again - more games, more sales. That's what it always comes down to.


Except the share for XB1's sales of those "more games" is bad and looks to be getting worse.


You honestly believe Xbox One sales will go down when their big name games start coming out? Really?
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#48FayeLadyPosted 7/23/2014 7:50:56 AM
Arucaurd posted...
I'll say it again - more games, more sales. That's what it always comes down to.


Except the share for XB1's sales of those "more games" is bad and looks to be getting worse.


Despite that happening, its smaller share of games still tends to be a bigger driving force for hardware adoption.
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#49Arucaurd(Topic Creator)Posted 7/23/2014 7:53:32 AM
GeminiX7
The problem with your argument is that, again, WiiU is only focusing on 1st party titles, as you said, and it's highest selling 1st party title, MK, didn't sell all that well(sold well compared to other WiiU titles, but that's not saying much).


This is completely wrong. Mario Kart 8 has sold better than any title on the XB1, and is on schedule to pass the highest selling PS4 game.

X1, on the other hand, focuses more on multiplats with a few HUGE first parties(if going by MS's past)


Multiplats aren't selling as well on the XB1 as they did for the 360. In fact, the XB1 is being outsold by the XB360 for some multiplats.

The two biggest first party series for XB1 are Halo and Gears. The Halo games sold extremely well, but were trending downward, especially after Bungie left. Gears sold pretty well too, not nearly as big as Halo, but it's last game fell off a cliff in terms of sales.
#50vermilion99Posted 7/23/2014 7:57:33 AM
It's sad how these Nintendrones avoid logic and just come up with ideas as to why Nintendo will do better even though past and present circumstances completely derail their fantasy train of thought right off the tracks