Is it just me or is the Super Mario series not that good by platform standards?

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11 months ago#31
Tempest717 posted...
Exploration isn't necessary to a platformer you know...


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11 months ago#32
Super Mario Galaxy is fantastic. The only thing that could have made it better for me is more exploration, but it was designed wisely with the Wii's limitations in mind. What is left is a gorgeous (but linear) platformer with amazing gravity based gameplay. To say it isn't that good is just a wrong opinion. :-) SM3DW on the other hand, was very underwhelming for me, but it is still a great deal of fun IMO. I hope the next Mario Platformer gives us what I have wanted since Wii U was announced. An open-world Mario with great exploration, secrets and gameplay in HD. The Wii U can finally deliver this kind of experience.
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11 months ago#33
Starwars4J posted...
Galaxy 1 and 2 are the highest rated exclusives games of the last generation and only under the GTAIV multiplats overall. lmao at trolls outing themselves by saying it isn't a good game

Note that GTA4 is generally considered to be massively overrated. Professional reviewers basically grade 100% on hype / name recognition and accessibility. Super Mario Galaxy is extremely easy and linear so no reviewers weren't able to figure out how to play, but longtime platformer fans looking for challenge or variety are out of luck.


Tempest717 posted...
Exploration isn't necessary to a platformer you know...

It's not, but linearity + repetition is generally a bad combo, especially when there's also no challenge to go with it. The "stars" progression system was invented for Mario 64 because it let them scatter multiple objectives throughout a wide-open level, but when the levels are totally linear it just results in needless repetition as you cross the same obstacles again and again for each star. Super Mario 3D World correctly recognizes that to do a linear game in 3D each mission needs to be a distinct level and as such it stays fresh far longer.


NintendoLover25 posted...
The Super Mario series has tons of very highly rated games and top sellers, I don't see how it's not good by any measurable standards.

So do Call of Duty, Mario Kart, and Final Fantasy but they aren't always at the top of their genres either. The most popular game in genre is actually rarely the best one, simply because their popularity often prevents them from trying anything too bold with game mechanics.
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11 months ago#34
Super Mario Bros. IS the platforming standard.
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11 months ago#35
Terotrous posted...
It's not, but linearity + repetition is generally a bad combo, especially when there's also no challenge to go with it. The "stars" progression system was invented for Mario 64 because it let them scatter multiple objectives throughout a wide-open level, but when the levels are totally linear it just results in needless repetition as you cross the same obstacles again and again for each star. Super Mario 3D World correctly recognizes that to do a linear game in 3D each mission needs to be a distinct level and as such it stays fresh far longer.

You can't be serious. Super Mario Galaxy has tons of variety, even within individual Galaxies. For example, in one mission of Toy Time Galaxy, you mess around with purple gravity surfaces and climb up a colossal toy version of Bowser, and in another, you jump around on food themed planetoids and giant cakes and whatnot. Galaxy also has more variety within individual missions than 3D World does. 3D World is just less subtle about it's variety.
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11 months ago#36
Iokua posted...
It's just you.

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11 months ago#37
Stanger5150 posted...
Super Mario Bros. IS the platforming standard.

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11 months ago#38
I agree. SMB is like the medium baseline that bad platforms can't quite reach and any decent ones surpass.
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11 months ago#39
guedesbrawl posted...
Tempest717 posted...
Exploration isn't necessary to a platformer you know...


but it's incredibly great to have. it expands on the level design by giving you alternate routes (sonic) or to hide cool, meaningful secrets (DK/Kirby)


It could also greatly limit design. Castlevania wouldn't be what it is if it had that. Same with Ninja Gaiden NES 1-3
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11 months ago#40
The Mario series is still THE platforming standard in the industry.

The "New" Series may not be that great, but that's by Mario standards. So many Mario games do things better than those games, but that doesn't mean they are bad games from an industry standpoint. They're competently designed overall.

Sure, you wouldn't play NSMB over stuff like Origins, DKC Returns, 3D World, Tropical Freeze, 3D World or the Classic Marios, but you'd definitely play them over generic tripe.
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