Would like your opinion on 3rd party support

#11Super-Mario-FanPosted 8/14/2014 6:47:55 AM
A lot of the hate comes from western 3rd party devs. Many eastern 3rd party devs such as Namco, Team Ninja, and Sega have assisted Nintendo with the development of their games.

It would be interesting to see more western 3rd parties do the same, but unless they have some sort of exclusivity development deal (ie Retro Studios, Next Level Games), it isn't happening.
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#12vermilion99Posted 8/14/2014 7:01:11 AM
Flame552 posted...
It's overrated, mostly due to how blown out of proportion it is.

Nintendo is the only gaming company in the world like it. People buy Nintendo systems to play Nintendo games.

People by Xboxes and Playstations to play largely 3rd party games.

Now the question here is then, why is this?

I'd assert it's because Nintendo has as many divisions and departments making quality games as most large 3rd party companies.

The other two big names don't, and most likely, can't replicate that. When it comes down to it, the console wars are over. Sega went into software only and Nintendo won. What we have here is a gaming company (Nintendo) up against two conglomerates (Sony and Microsoft) where gaming is just a single division of a much larger corporation instead of it being at the very heart of the company.

Sony gets most of their money from their insurance department to help deal with the hemorrhaging their tv department has been in ever since box televisions were made obsolete, and Microsoft isn't trying to take down Sony or Nintendo with the Xbox; they're trying to take on Google and Apple via your living room.

They need 3rd party to survive.
Nintendo...well, doesn't. Or at the very least not as much by a pretty significant margin.

And that makes most 3rd party reps weary and hesitant. When they release a game on a Nintendo system, those 3rd party companies aren't just in competition with each other, they have to go up against Nintendo games. Unless you're Sonic the Hedgehog or Megaman (two IPs known for doing particularly well on Nintendo consoles), how many people are going to buy your multi-platform game for the Nintendo product over the latest Zelda or Pokemon during thee holiday season?

That said, the Wii never seemed to have much 3rd party support either, which I take as some slight evidence in my favor. The 3DS has plenty of 3rd party support, largely from companies that enjoyed the same success on the DS.


What a load if fanboy drivel. Why do Nintendo fans hold it against MS and Sony because they are more then a gaming company? What does it matter when it's been proven for nearly 20 years that Sony gives gamers what they want, namely games.

It gets so old seeing these tired Nintendo fanboy arguments. Sony doesn't care about games because the PS plays CDs, the PS2 plays DVDs, the PS3 plays blurays, and the PS4 is just a week PC. Do you know how Sony took over the industry and made Nintendo a small time player in the home console business? Because at the end of the day, people buy a home console to play games and they want a large variety to choose from. Sony has always made sure that their customers get 95% of all the games that are released. They don't sell you a several hundred dollar piece of hardware and then tell you that you only have Sony software to look forward too. Sony doesn't care about gamers yet they have had the biggest software library since they took over the industry.

Nintendo are the ones that don't want to compete with 3rd parties. They put horrible restrictions on them during the NES era, told them they didn't need them with the N64, and somehow thought the Wiis success was do to their software only again and think they can go it alone again. Nintendo should see the pattern when they go it alone. Look at the sakes of the N64 to the GCN and now the WiiU. They have lost more and more market share. The fact that they release a home console and make excuses of why there fanbase should be happy with their 4 offerings a year while 99% of 3rd party titles aren't available is lame.
#13PigfartsPosted 8/14/2014 7:20:40 AM
Ranmaru-2 posted...
I think third parties just have a grudge against nintendo. I mean there's no other excuse for it at this point. Even 3rd party games that release on the ps3 and 360 are skipping the Wii U.


So them losing money on every game released on the Wii U is not an excuse?
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#14Flame552Posted 8/14/2014 7:41:43 AM
vermilion99 posted...


What a load if fanboy drivel. Why do Nintendo fans hold it against MS and Sony because they are more then a gaming company? What does it matter when it's been proven for nearly 20 years that Sony gives gamers what they want, namely games.

It gets so old seeing these tired Nintendo fanboy arguments. Sony doesn't care about games because the PS plays CDs, the PS2 plays DVDs, the PS3 plays blurays, and the PS4 is just a week PC. Do you know how Sony took over the industry and made Nintendo a small time player in the home console business? Because at the end of the day, people buy a home console to play games and they want a large variety to choose from. Sony has always made sure that their customers get 95% of all the games that are released. They don't sell you a several hundred dollar piece of hardware and then tell you that you only have Sony software to look forward too. Sony doesn't care about gamers yet they have had the biggest software library since they took over the industry.

Nintendo are the ones that don't want to compete with 3rd parties. They put horrible restrictions on them during the NES era, told them they didn't need them with the N64, and somehow thought the Wiis success was do to their software only again and think they can go it alone again. Nintendo should see the pattern when they go it alone. Look at the sakes of the N64 to the GCN and now the WiiU. They have lost more and more market share. The fact that they release a home console and make excuses of why there fanbase should be happy with their 4 offerings a year while 99% of 3rd party titles aren't available is lame.


And, as per typical of a Vermillion post, you see fit to argue valiantly against points and stances no one has made while ignoring the entirety of the post that roused your ire.

I'll side step the embellished Sony rant and address the things relevant to the thread.

Nintendo fans don't hold it against Microsoft and Sony for not being pure gaming companies. Nintendo is a gaming company. Their entire business depends on making games. If they stop making games, then there wouldn't be any more Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are conglomerates and, like I mentioned above about Microsoft and on the Vita board about Sony, their priorities and the amount of time and budget they are willing to spent on gaming is limited and subordinate to their primary markets.

That's not a slight, Vermillion; it's an established fact about their infrastructure and is the way it is because it works out for them.

I am looking at the sales of Nintendo products, actually. The N64 did admirably at the same time the Game boy was creating an entire market, the GCN less against far less competitors (Only four consoles that gen) as the Game boy Advance continued to flourish, and the Wii printed as much money as the DS did.

Next, let's look at the best selling games for the Wii. There are some Sega and Ubisoft if you go down far enough, but on the best selling system of it's generation by an enormous margin all of it's best selling games were made in house.

And...well, there really isn't anything to add considering how you didn't really try to make a point. Just kinda shouted random stuff to come to a conclusion that ignores all evidence contrary to it.
#15SyCo_VeNoMPosted 8/14/2014 8:27:46 AM
Nintendo is not buying it like Sony, and MS does.
Nintendo really can't play the other two's game either as they only have a video game company they don't have a pile of other divisions like MS, and sony to offset the loss.
#16mw5178Posted 8/14/2014 8:32:30 AM
Flame552 posted...
vermilion99 posted...


What a load if fanboy drivel. Why do Nintendo fans hold it against MS and Sony because they are more then a gaming company? What does it matter when it's been proven for nearly 20 years that Sony gives gamers what they want, namely games.

It gets so old seeing these tired Nintendo fanboy arguments. Sony doesn't care about games because the PS plays CDs, the PS2 plays DVDs, the PS3 plays blurays, and the PS4 is just a week PC. Do you know how Sony took over the industry and made Nintendo a small time player in the home console business? Because at the end of the day, people buy a home console to play games and they want a large variety to choose from. Sony has always made sure that their customers get 95% of all the games that are released. They don't sell you a several hundred dollar piece of hardware and then tell you that you only have Sony software to look forward too. Sony doesn't care about gamers yet they have had the biggest software library since they took over the industry.

Nintendo are the ones that don't want to compete with 3rd parties. They put horrible restrictions on them during the NES era, told them they didn't need them with the N64, and somehow thought the Wiis success was do to their software only again and think they can go it alone again. Nintendo should see the pattern when they go it alone. Look at the sakes of the N64 to the GCN and now the WiiU. They have lost more and more market share. The fact that they release a home console and make excuses of why there fanbase should be happy with their 4 offerings a year while 99% of 3rd party titles aren't available is lame.


And, as per typical of a Vermillion post, you see fit to argue valiantly against points and stances no one has made while ignoring the entirety of the post that roused your ire.

I'll side step the embellished Sony rant and address the things relevant to the thread.

Nintendo fans don't hold it against Microsoft and Sony for not being pure gaming companies. Nintendo is a gaming company. Their entire business depends on making games. If they stop making games, then there wouldn't be any more Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are conglomerates and, like I mentioned above about Microsoft and on the Vita board about Sony, their priorities and the amount of time and budget they are willing to spent on gaming is limited and subordinate to their primary markets.

That's not a slight, Vermillion; it's an established fact about their infrastructure and is the way it is because it works out for them.

I am looking at the sales of Nintendo products, actually. The N64 did admirably at the same time the Game boy was creating an entire market, the GCN less against far less competitors (Only four consoles that gen) as the Game boy Advance continued to flourish, and the Wii printed as much money as the DS did.

Next, let's look at the best selling games for the Wii. There are some Sega and Ubisoft if you go down far enough, but on the best selling system of it's generation by an enormous margin all of it's best selling games were made in house.

And...well, there really isn't anything to add considering how you didn't really try to make a point. Just kinda shouted random stuff to come to a conclusion that ignores all evidence contrary to it.


Don't bother with this troll. Your original post was spot-on.
#17mw5178Posted 8/14/2014 8:44:36 AM
mashu posted...
Nintendo chose to be the only platform not running x86. It's not quite as powerful as the other two consoles and it doesn't have the same or similar infrastructure (online) either. Game development costs and timelines have skyrocketed with HD. It doesn't make any sense for them to do the work to make a Wii U version using different architecture, different optimization techniques, possibly different features etc, when they have sales data and budget considerations to look at that tell them its not likely to work in their favor. They are companies out to make a profit first and foremost. If the Wii U became the number one selling console they would change their focus, but when one development cycle with minor differences in the basics of the code can hit all or most of the PS4, XBOne, PC, PS3 and 360 the question answers itself.


The PS3 and 360 aren't based on x86 hardware. It's actually easier to make a game for the XBOne, PS4, or PC and then port across those platforms, and the hardware and low-level API similarities between those platforms also make porting easier and less expensive.

Not that it matters though, and neither does it matter that the 360 and PS3 are "last-gen" hardware. They're STILL getting AAA multiplats that their successors are getting. Ultimately, as you said, it's about the profit.
#18SyCo_VeNoMPosted 8/14/2014 1:00:32 PM(edited)
mashu posted...
Nintendo chose to be the only platform not running x86. It's not quite as powerful as the other two consoles and it doesn't have the same or similar infrastructure (online) either. Game development costs and timelines have skyrocketed with HD. It doesn't make any sense for them to do the work to make a Wii U version using different architecture, different optimization techniques, possibly different features etc, when they have sales data and budget considerations to look at that tell them its not likely to work in their favor. They are companies out to make a profit first and foremost. If the Wii U became the number one selling console they would change their focus, but when one development cycle with minor differences in the basics of the code can hit all or most of the PS4, XBOne, PC, PS3 and 360 the question answers itself.


umm they choose before the other 2 announced anything
As NDA's exist even if 3rd parties knew MS, and sony were pulling that they would not have told Nintendo.
Instead Nintendo designed, and made a system they wanted originally from what I read.
No info about the twin wanna be PC's was even known prior to Nintendo revealing the Wii U in its final form, and they already started mass producing it.

Thing is as MS went to PPC from x86 there was no hint that they would go back to x86 as in all honestly it really didn't make much sense.

So saying they chose to be the only platform not x86 is wrong they chose to make a system better then the ps360 (and yes you trolls its specs are better) estimating that was where sony, and MS would be. Just the other 2 did a complete 180 on system designs.
#19cutthemac16Posted 8/14/2014 12:59:48 PM
IDK, but gimme KH3 pls :'(
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#20Ranmaru-2Posted 8/14/2014 10:14:52 PM
cutthemac16 posted...
IDK, but gimme KH3 pls :'(


This so much.
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