The maturity debate

#1mra823Posted 8/25/2014 6:20:13 AM
I know this post might be a little controversial, so I should probably start by saying 1) I have had both a 3ds and Vita and a PS4 and Wii U and have enjoyed them all and 2) I have played a wide variety of games.

I read an article (on IGN I think?) a week ago about Nintendo getting a bad wrap for being a kids company (the article, and myself, think it isn't), and it had some great points. I adopted that perception a few years ago and decided to play mostly games like CoD and Halo on my 360. They were great games, Im not gonna claim that they are bad because they arent, but they never really gave me that great feeling I got from playing games like "Thousand Year Door" and "Galaxy." I still played the Wii, but pretty much only Smash, Mario Kart and Animal Crossing. I bought a PS4 a bit later and had a lot of fun, and still do, playing it, but still didn't get that awesome gaming feeling I used to. At some point, I decided to pretty much impulse buy a 3ds. This was my first time buying a Nintendo product in 2 or 3 years, and it was amazing. I played OoT, Animal Crossing, etc. After this, I bought a Wii U, same feeling. Games like 3d world, WW HD and MK8 are awesome! But what I really started to wonder was how is a game like CoD more "mature" than a game like Mario Kart? Sure, the immediate thought is the violence, etc. but I meant literal maturity, the reason people call other games "kid like" and honestly, I don't know why. What makes a game where you just get points by attacking others more intellectually mature than trying to win a race, or get through a gauntlet of enemies to get to a flag?

I would like to reiterate though this isn't a nintendo fan boy article. Some of the games I listed are great, and my PS4 and Xbox 360 have provided me with a lot of entertainment, but I still see no more maturity there than in my Wii U.
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#2TerotrousPosted 8/25/2014 6:26:51 AM
Violence by itself doesn't really make a game mature. For one thing, kids love violence. Call of Duty, God of War, and Grand Theft Auto are all among the most popular games with kids aged 9-14 even though they're not supposed to be playing them.

There are some games that deal with "mature themes", which, when handled appropriately, does create a game that seems more mature than something like Mario. A good example is something like Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivor. However, one of the most powerful games of this type is actually Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Sky, which still managed to get an E Rating because apparently the ESRB can't diagnose maturity unless it involves guns and boobs.
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#3mra823(Topic Creator)Posted 8/25/2014 6:29:05 AM
I forgot about Sky. If I was younger, I may not have liked that game. However, I entirely agree with you that the younger demographic is gravitating toward violent games, which may be Nintendo's only problem (I don't think the name or quality are that bad, I mean the name isn't that good, but whatever)
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#4TpaulHPosted 8/25/2014 7:23:13 AM
Well that's kind of the problem with the ESRB rating system. The terminology.

E - For Everyone makes perfect sense. It can be enjoyed by everyone, there isn't any objectionable material.

T - For Teens. Basically like PG 13. Not a commentary on any level of maturity, just that acknowledgement that it could have violent or other material not suitable for younger children.

M - Mature. Here's where we have the problem. Up until this point it was just an age system. Then, rather than saying an age (like R - Restricted to those under 17), they give this vague word. "Mature." And people want to be mature, want to be looked at as mature and intelligent and wise and such. But all "Mature" means on a game box is that it has material unsuitable for anyone under the age of 17. Violence, sexual content, nudity, language. It's not at all about mental/emotional/intellectual maturity, just physical "maturity" in terms of age.

The wording's just stupid. Europe has a better naming system (it's just numbers, which correspond to an age - simple). I like "E for Everyone" and "T for Teens," but "M for Mature"? Just dumb naming conventions.
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#5Kosten_ReiPosted 8/25/2014 8:29:01 AM
More often you just want to do what your friends are doing.
A gamer will try various types of games anyway.
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#6Granadico_Posted 8/25/2014 8:48:26 AM
Its due to the fact that most people can't differentiate "adult" from "mature"
#7Rennik RepotsirPosted 8/25/2014 9:10:16 AM
Honestly, playing video games isn't really a mature past time. Should I just quit playing video games? Heck no, I enjoy it for what it is despite whether the game is labeled "mature", "AAA" or "kiddy". It all boils down to the same thing, a person enjoying an entertainment pastime. There's rarely any return outside of self gratifying fulfillment; unless you can make a few extra dollars in tourneys...
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#8millimaynePosted 8/25/2014 9:16:28 AM
It's really not a debate at this point. Ninty's marketing their console based on its family-friendly aspect.

Agreed with the consensus that violent games aren't necessarily more mature than Nintendo games, but I remember when I was a kid I wanted to watch violent movies and play violent games because it was "cool." Sony and Microsoft are doing a great job of marketing the "cool" games like all the shooters they have, even to young gamers.
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#9imameliaPosted 8/25/2014 9:21:00 AM
TpaulH makes a good point about the rating system. There is an "adult" rating, "Adults Only" or AO, but hardly any games ever get that because it's almost entirely reserved for pornographic games.

But something can be "adult" without being "mature" and vice versa. Compare Conker's Bad Fur Day and Radiant Historia. Conker has an M rating because of all the crudeness that goes in in it, but it's not really what you'd call mature. Throwing toilet paper at a giant talking mound of poop? Getting drunk and urinating on stuff? Not the most mature things in the world. Then you have Radiant Historia. The game takes place during a war between two nations, it turns out that neither of them really qualify as the "good guys", one of your missions is to assassinate a princess, there is death and betrayal...overall, I'd say Radiant Historia has a pretty mature storyline, but because there is no graphic violence and not much in the way of sexuality, it only got an E10+ rating (even if it seems like T might have fit better). Maybe the rating system just needs a revamp. It's already been changed at least once, hasn't it? For one, didn't there use to be a "K-A" rating (for Kids to Adults)?
#10yeti44Posted 8/25/2014 9:25:01 AM
The only people who think Nintendo isn't mature are brodude Ponies and Xbots who think mature = lots of violence, sex, swearing, and ugly brown graphics.

Aka insecure man children trying to convince themselves they are real grown ups.
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