Devs answer questions about multiplayer, editor, and more....

#1MaxP0werBuckPosted 4/13/2012 11:44:45 AM

Devs are answering questions on the Official Far Cry 3 forums...just in case anyone wants more info.

(Q) - Will there be an official community map playlist/ playlists with none of the progression differences (if there are any) of unranked private matches? If this option were to exist, will there be a system in place to make sure the best user maps are discovered and featured in this playlist?

(A) - User Made Maps can be accessed through three different Tiers, depending on the ratings of the map. The Tiers are basically playlists that chooses maps with specific ratings. When you publish a map, it will be placed in the Bronze Tier. As it gets played and players rate it, it moves to Silver Tier and eventually to the Gold Tier.

Maps from the Gold Tier are the highest rated maps and they have a chance to be included into the official Playlists!

If you want to find a specific map you can use the Map Archive where you can browse through all uploaded maps and play them, either in a private or public match.



(Q) - I think the MP looks great but I'm a little bit concerned about the map editor (please not something like HALO forge) will it be as big as the one in Far Cry 2?

(A) - It will be as big, and then some more. We are basically building using the FC2 editor as foundation. There are also a good number of surprises in store.


(Q) - Are you going to ship with a complete (Or almost complete) map editor for the PCs this time? (Extends the game's life time a LOT.)

(A) - It depends on your definition of complete. If by complete, you mean the exact same editor and tools we use in production, then no, unfortunately it is not going to happen. It is just way, way too complex and unintuitive (please believe us!) for use by a few persons, not to mention a lot of ties with our production work flow that are simply impossible to export or expose externally. This is not desirable for anyone.

Please understand we are not in any way underestimating the capacity of the modding community, babysitting the users, or "dumbing it down" for consoles. We have participated in modding projects ourselves; we know the amazing strength of the community. But being mod-friendly is not a feature of the Dunia engine, unfortunately.

What we can do is focusing on what is possible to do from an end-user perspective, and exposing features in a carefully designed interface to allow as much as possible without being unnecessarily complex. We are working very hard to give the community the most power we can manage. We want that just as much as you do! But our resources are limited and very difficult choices must be made.



(Q) - With Ubisoft Montreal creating the Single Player game and Ubisoft Massive - Sweden doing the Multiplayer and the Editor I would like to know who dictates what goes into the Editor where items and vegetation is concerned, Massive were you told that you can include anything from the single player game already made, or do you have the freedom to design and include your own stuff for the editor.

(A) - Our current approach is to expose as much content as possible. As such, this time around, an overwhelming majority of the assets you see in the game, in both single player and multiplayer maps, will be exposed and available in the editor.

What this also means is to expect a lot of unfiltered content. There will be a LOT of assets. In fact, there is so many of them we will likely not be able to perfectly review and categorize each individual object and make sure it is easily usable. But this also means there will be plenty of hidden gems to be found, and creativity will once again be the key to success. We are confident the community will be able to manage this amount of content over time, and figure out the best usage patterns.

As much as we wanted to, we have not had time to design objects from scratch for the editor. We're shipping a huge game; we believe there will already be a lot of objects to have fun with!



(Q) - And in Far Cry 2 one of the worst things I witnessed was the collision detection with the terrain, In a lot of areas it was dreadful trying to get out of the water onto what looked like flat land (everything had to be super smooth) Did you have to address this for Far Cry 3?

(A) - We have not tested this scenario in the editor yet, but we are adding that on our list of stuff to investigate. Thanks!



(Q) - Can we still control map size, terrain, vegetation, and textures? Are there still options for those besides 'Jungle'?

(A) - Map size is fixed at 512x512 meters, which is the exact same as FC2. Terrain, vegetation and textures can still be modified like in FC2, with more assets and a few extra features we're sure you'll appreciate.


(Q) - Will you make all the brushes from single player available in the editor?

(A) - Already answered above.



(Q) - Can we lock our maps from being edited by others?


(A) - Yes, this is now the default.



(Q) - Is there a limitation for maps published per author?

(A) - We will have limits for practical reasons, but rest assured we will set those high enough and monitor usage post-launch so that no one feels unreasonably constrained by them.

(Q) - You mentioned having a big selection of pre built buildings being available in the editor (Which I love hearing). You don't have to get detailed as I'm sure it will be announced in detail later, but will there also be building block type items for building our own buildings? (stand alone Walls/floors/windows/etc.)

(A) - To the best of our knowledge, we have not seen anything explicitly designed as such in our object database. However, there are areas of our game built using some modular pieces, so it might be possible to use them together to create really cool stuff!


(Q) - and will we be able to place mode specific items in the map maker ala Halo's Forge? (IE you place a building that is only visible in domination but not in firestorm)

(A) - Items that are specific to a game-mode, such as a Domination capture point for instance, are only visible in that game mode. As for other objects, our interface unfortunately does not support object layers, as there are quite a few issues involved with those. Good to see you're interested in those! We will take that in note for the future.


(Q) - We seem to have news filtering around that the map editor grid will be a lot smaller (or maybe we are thinking this because some interviews and previews are saying maps are smaller in size).

(A) - Maps are the same size as FC2, 512x512 meters.


(Q) - Will we be forced into using your templates which we then make into our own maps (as an example what they do in Forge) or can we manipulate terrain and start with a blank canvas in the editor like FC2?

(A) - Same as FC2, we will have both options of starting from a blank canvas, and running a wilderness generator template.


(Q) - Do consoles have any form lighting in the editor to add into our maps?

(A) - We cannot confirm this yet, but we are actively looking into it, and it's looking promising that we will have lighting options on consoles. They may be expensive on your map budget however.


(Q) - So far I have not seen ladders, are they included and if so are they better than the ones in FC2 because on those you had to press the interact ****on and could not jump off to other platforms / ledges.

(A) - There should be ladders included, but we have not investigated enough yet to see if they behave better than in FC2.


(Q) - If I were to design a user made map in the form of a DOOM ****corridoor map (all enclosed) there would be no way to drop the psych gas or the fire barrels into the play area - Would this be an issue if I wanted to create something like that, it would still play wouldn't it?

(A) - It will still play, but the support weapons will most likely not work. This is not a game breaker however.

(Q) - The horrible see through and invisible pieces in the editor from FC2 (when you look underneath them) have you done anything with those or are items the same in FC3?

(A) - Unfortunately we still have some of those. Modeling is done primarily for the game needs, and for many reasons including performance, geometry is omitted when it is not expected to be seen through a certain angle. However, I think we don't have as many as in FC2, but I'm not sure. But we do have a LOT more objects.


(Q) - OCC (Occlusion) Blocks are these still needed in the editor?

(A) - Nope, our new and improved Dunia engine is able to figure it out by itself. Enjoy!



(Q) - The draw distance with a lot of objects in FC2 was poor on consoles (I can't speak for the PC version) yet things like colonial fences and the concrete blocks had a good draw distance, IMO it was awful moving and seeing creations appear and disappear because of the render rate / draw distance.

(A) - I am not sure how different from FC2 LOD issues are going to be, it may be a bit better, but there is still definitely going to be some. We also have a LOT of objects and they're unfortunately not all setup perfectly. We prefer giving as much unfiltered content as possible so people can find the hidden gems of our asset library.


(Q) - I imagine that the PC Editor will have so much more than the one on consoles so speaking for PS3 and 360 would it be possible for you to get a top map from one platform working on the other or is it not currently possible.

(A) - Unfortunately there are still many issues surrounding cross-platform sharing. This will not be possible on FC3.



(Q) - No One seems to know what is going on with these Pre Order special bundles, So far they say Lost Expeditions - Predator and Warrior pack, they all have different stuff, can you say if there will be a version that will have everything or a way to get everything as DLC if someone was willing to pay for it?

(A) - We cannot comment on this at the moment.


(Q) - The map rating system that you speak of - Far CRy can be a jealous game at times unfortunately and some people can often rate a very good map with a poor score on purpose, how would you guys stop this from happening, I don't think there is an answer.


(A) - We hope the majority of people will give reliable ratings to dampen the minority that will grief, but obviously we cannot change human nature.



(Q) - Are you aware of the Escape & Course maps that some players have been making throughout the Far Cry games, basically like a Get To The End or Escape the complex type map where the idea is not to kill but to go through a sequence of puzzles / jumps and navigate through a course until you reach the end - These have been popular for a long time, some love them and others hate them, What are your opinions?

(A) - I must admit I have not seen any of these, the FC map community always keeps surprising me. It does sound interesting. I think there are a lot of different purposes behind map making, whether it be for a game mode, artistic creation, alternative gameplays, messing around, etc. I hope we will be able to better categorize these different needs in the future so that people can find the type of content they're looking for, while remaining flexible enough for all the creativity that springs up.


(Q) - Someone from Massive mentioned forums and again in an online preview it was mentioned that there might be some form of social networking with the editor, Is this similar to Halo Forge where maps can be queued online and then downloaded when you start the game, (what is the system you are going with for Map Uploads / Downloads)

(A) - We have big plans for the website and community and these include extending some features connected to the editor to the web. More details will come later!


(Q) - Does the time of day change and weather conditions while a match is playing in multiplayer or can it be locked to stay the same?

(A) - Same as in FC2, the time of day is decided by the map maker, and it stays locked when the map is being played.



(Q) - Is there any form of COOP in the map editor where more than 1 person can edit a map?

(A) - If you're referring to when multiple players edits a map simultaneously, then the answer is no.


(Q) - Will we get to place ziplines in a user made map?

(A) - We are still looking into this!

#2MaxP0werBuck(Topic Creator)Posted 4/13/2012 11:49:16 AM

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Q) - About the Battle-Cry, it has possibilities IF you can keep your team together. But that's not the nature of the beast for consoles, just too many randoms. Are you concerned that this team perk will become a frustrating barrage of airstrikes by organized teams? Also, is there any way players could abuse Battle-Cry by boosting?

(A) - Organized teams will always have the upper hand in matches, just like in almost any competitive games out there. The Battle Cry is not going to be THE ONLY THING THAT causes the more organized team to win though, it will just be one of the factors. The team working together and communicating most effectively will probably come out on top in a match, because of pure team-work. The Battle Cry system is not really exploitable in that way. You can't spam it and you definitely won't benefit from hiding in the outskirts of the map shouting away while the enemy team controls the map. That will cause you to lose the match quickly.

The Battle Shout should be used as soon as it is off cool down and preferably while you are close to your whole team. IF your team is running together in an organized pack, using the Battle Cries and covering each other's backs and playing as a unit you'll have the upper hand for sure. Then again, running in a group might cause you to lose undefended nodes and get your whole team wiped out from a well placed support weapon, so it's a trade-off.



(Q) - Will there be prone?


(A) - No, there's no prone.


(Q) - My understanding is that the game ships with 4 modes and 10 maps. 4 modes isn't enough, so do you plan to add more game modes at a later date?

(A) - It is a tad bit early to discuss stuff like DLC and whatnot.


(Q) - Will there be a custom game lobby?

(A) - Yes.


(Q) - Will we have options to turn off perks, killstreaks, weapons, etc?

(A) - When creating custom games players will be able to set different rules and settings. Details on which settings are changeable are still being worked on.


(Q) - The Tattoo Editor - Can we only tattoo the arms or can we go crazy and do something from the movie The Hangover (like Mike Tyson) can we also tattoo the face?
For anyone that has not yet read there will be a tattoo editor in the game which has small designs that can be joined up to create your own mauri **** designs for your character.


(A) - The tattoo editor will allow you to create and add/remove tattoos from your characters arms.


(Q) - Any other form of player customization? (I notice in some pictures that players have satchels / ammo belts accross their chest and backpacks).

(A) - You will be able to customize your weapons, weapon attachments, skills, battle cries, support weapons and tattoos.


(Q) - Is there voice chat in MP?

(A) - Yes.


(Q) - Are team support points shared among the team or individually earned?

(A) - Team support points are individually earned and spent by you and you alone.

 

Official FC3 forum: http://forums.ubi.com/forumdisplay.php/117-Far-Cry-3-Discussion?s=804055a0598472ca6ad652018aa0095d

#3mastershakezPosted 4/13/2012 5:40:35 PM
I'm glad they answered some questions about the editor. I can safely say it's a definite buy just from what was said there. I was a little worried about the vehicle removal, but it sounds like other than that we still get everything else from FC2 and more.
#4zerooo0Posted 4/13/2012 6:21:32 PM
Well Im not gonna get Black Ops 2 this year, since I just discovered Far Cry 2, on my PS3 and Im loving it. But Im gonna get Far Cry 3 for the Xbox, because I cant stand FPS games on the PS3. I cant wait for this, Day One Buy.
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#5Sevi_neyPosted 4/13/2012 9:02:10 PM
Awesome. Stoked.
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#6usmovers_02Posted 4/14/2012 3:11:43 AM
Thanks for posting this info. I'm mostly glad about what they said about the editor. A few map editor highlights:

1) Object count will be so ridiculously high they can't even properly categorize all of them!

2) Same size maps as FC2.

3) Weather and Time of Day options are back.

4) Zip lines are not yet confirmed like I thought they were.

5) No map editing coop.

6) NO NEED FOR OCCLUSION BLOCKS ANYMORE!!

7) It's LIKELY that we'll get lighting options in the editor but they'll be expensive.
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#7viewmaster_piPosted 4/14/2012 6:03:59 AM
Mostly good news. The tattoo thing is interesting, but it sucks for people that want some form of customization without tattoos. Why no sleeves or gloves or rings or wristbands or something? That seemed more obvious than tattoos.
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#8bluehat94Posted 4/14/2012 7:55:58 AM
Cool, that definitely makes it sound better than that first vid a couple weeks ago.
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#9ill-thoughtsPosted 4/14/2012 8:53:19 AM

yeaahhhhhh im not too stoked about walking 500 meters. what they include in the multiplayer items will determine rather or not i buy this game...

#10xStackedActorxPosted 4/14/2012 10:42:10 AM
I wish one of the questions asked them about how they reacted to the extremely negative reaction of the exclusion of vehicles.
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