The Legend of Zelda Wii U

MooglePeru posted...

Bad Overworld.
Bad Storyline.
Was a cluster**** of an origins story.
ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLORATION
The swordplay was awful
The soundtrack was completely forgettable.
Bad item usage. Items aren't key-openers.
The dungeons are some of the worst of the series.

You want more?

1. Nope. Not the best, but far from the worst.
2. Wrong again.
3. Nope.
4. A 100% exaggeration. Smaller overworld =/= No exploration. You sound just as bad as LLL_Deadly or whatever the **** his name is.
5. Nope. It's an improvement from the previous istallments. But I will say that using motion controls for other things like unlocking the boss door and balancing on a rope were completely unecessary.
6. Personal preferences I guess. I still remember a lot of it, and I've only done one playthrough.
7. It wasn't the best (TP probably had the best item usage in the serioes), but still better than some Zelda games.
8. Better than anything WW did with it's dungeons. Well... Tower of the Gods iirc, was better than every dungeon in SS. But I'm talking about overall.

1. Nope, it's the worst. Even TP's world (the game that I loathed the most) had a tiny bit of exploration. It was damn tiny, but it had it. SS has none. It feels like a level based game. And that's not how Zelda should be. Ever.

2. Zelda games always had bad storylines. This game is no exception.

3. YES. YES. YES. WE WERE ALL PROMISED A PROPER EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING. I'M OK WITH DEMISE BUT THE ENTIRE MASTER SWORD THING WAS SO DARN DISSAPOINTING.

4. I'll define exploration. Exploration is when you go out of your way and discover new, interesting things that are rewarding you with a health upgrade, a new weapon, item, or whatnot. Since SS had all of their items contained between the levels themselves (and note that I'm using the term levels, not overworld), it has zero exploration. Exploration is what most Zelda games sans OoT, MM, FS, FSA, TP and SS have. Even those aforementioned games had quite a bit. SS had none. I'll put it on the level of FS and FSA. The level based thing killed SS for me.

5. Is an improvement, yes. But the swordplay play needs to feel more like combat instead of puzzle-solving. The other Zeldas have bad combat. This one's is bad, too, but is a little better than the rest. That little fact doesn't save it from being bad.

6. You're talking with a guy who can remember most soundtracks of games that he played. I can faithfullt hum every single Mega Man theme from the entire Classics and X series, for example. This has been the first Zelda where the music felt generic and bland.

7.The best item usage, as I've proven numerous tiems, was in ST. Of the 8 usable items in the game, only two were actually good, and those were the Beetle and the Bow. 2 of eight means the items were lame. Also the freaking harp.

8. Overall? They are bad. The only remotely challenging dungeon was the LMF. Everything else was short, and bland, and I would say generic if it weren't for the Sandship (I mean, that dungeon was genius, but the boss killed it. Like, literally)
You want examples of good dungeons? The Oracles and TP nailed them. Even although TP ones were too linear for my tastes, they were the best of the 3D ones.

Overall, SS dissapointed me in a lot of areas.

Also, if I ever liked it before, it was just to go with the wave of anti-Zelda Cycle stuff that arose in 2011. I actually found the game un-Zelda in most of my experience.
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Nintendoboy77 posted...

You sound just as bad as LLL_Deadly or whatever the **** his name is.

SS does have bad exploration. You'd have to be blinded by your bias to not see that.

What's rewarding about the exploration? What incentive is there to explore the small, bland overworld?

I like the game (enjoying Hero Mode), but to say SS has good exploration is just stupid.
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Nintendoboy77 posted...

LLL_Deadly posted...

Nintendoboy77 posted...

You sound just as bad as LLL_Deadly or whatever the **** his name is.

SS does have bad exploration. You'd have to be blinded by your bias to not see that.

What's rewarding about the exploration? What incentive is there to explore the small, bland overworld?

I like the game (enjoying Hero Mode), but to say SS has good exploration is just stupid.

You don't remember having to find those small items to help upgrade your shields and gear (even though Amber you get like a million of, some of the others are a bit more rare)? You don't remember going around hitting those blocks with a skyward strike to be able to open chests in the sky? That's not exploration? I'm not saying it's the best in the series, but to say there's none is just absurd.

Finding the materials isn't exploration. Aside from the tumbleweed (which was because I forgot to get a Bug Net), I had enough to upgrade everything by the end of the game, and I wasn't going out of my way to look for any materials.

Placing a bunch of cubes around the game with corresponding chests in the sky doesn't equal decent exploration. I didn't say the game has no exploration, I just said the game's exploration is bad.
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Yeah, I was really disappointed with just about everything SS had to offer. It degraded a lot of things from the series and then did a so-so job on the new things it brought to the table. Not a bad game in of itself, but the worst Zelda game I've ever played.
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