Celda on the Wii U

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iKhanic
Posted 6/30/2012 10:57:37 PM
I by no means had a problem with Wind Waker or its graphics. In fact, it's probably my second favorite Zelda title. But I can help but contemplate that Nintendo will put these graphics on the Wii U Zelda game. IMO, it wouldn't really be able to use the Wii U's processing power to its full extent.

What do you think? Do you think this game could get a way with cel-shaded "Toon Link" graphics?
kamikazetomato
Posted 6/30/2012 11:22:10 PM
Literally the only thing we've seen from this game is the graphics. And they aren't cel shaded.

You are speculating about the only aspect of this game that doesn't need to be speculated about. And coming to the wrong conclusion.

Wow.
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NihiloExistant
Posted 6/30/2012 11:34:51 PM
From: kamikazetomato | #002
Literally the only thing we've seen from this game is the graphics. And they aren't cel shaded.

You are speculating about the only aspect of this game that doesn't need to be speculated about. And coming to the wrong conclusion.

Wow.

No, we've seen the graphics of a tech demo. The graphics in this game could be as different from the tech demo we've seen as WW's graphics were from the spaceworld 2000 tech demo.
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kamikazetomato
Posted 6/30/2012 11:38:57 PM
NihiloExistant posted...
No, we've seen the graphics of a tech demo. The graphics in this game could be as different from the tech demo we've seen as WW's graphics were from the spaceworld 2000 tech demo.

Except Zelda Wii U was a gameplay demo. It wasn't just some cutscene showing off the graphics.

Moreover there was a vast negative public reaction to Wind Waker after Spaceworld which spurred the company to make TP with, well, TP graphics. Nintendo learns from its mistakes.

(Note that the mistake obviously wasn't WW's graphics themselves, but the bait and switch.)
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conantheimp
Posted 7/1/2012 12:06:33 AM

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From: kamikazetomato | #004
NihiloExistant posted...
No, we've seen the graphics of a tech demo. The graphics in this game could be as different from the tech demo we've seen as WW's graphics were from the spaceworld 2000 tech demo.

Except Zelda Wii U was a gameplay demo. It wasn't just some cutscene showing off the graphics.

Moreover there was a vast negative public reaction to Wind Waker after Spaceworld which spurred the company to make TP with, well, TP graphics. Nintendo learns from its mistakes.

(Note that the mistake obviously wasn't WW's graphics themselves, but the bait and switch.)

Except it was just a cutscene, albeit glorified. It was TP dressed up with some eyeliner, nice makeup and better table manners, then shoved out onto the dance floor to showcase how well the new dance Nintendo thought up would do.

Wow. That analogy got out of control quickly....

More on topic, while I don't think they'll go with cel-shading for this game, I personally would love it if they kicked up a new variation for this game. if they are building a game from the ground up, though, I wouldn't wanna see a rehash of SS or WW. As beautiful as those games were, this isn't gonna be another rushed MM job.
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iKhanic
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Posted 7/1/2012 12:15:27 AM
kamikazetomato posted...
NihiloExistant posted...
No, we've seen the graphics of a tech demo. The graphics in this game could be as different from the tech demo we've seen as WW's graphics were from the spaceworld 2000 tech demo.

Except Zelda Wii U was a gameplay demo. It wasn't just some cutscene showing off the graphics.

Moreover there was a vast negative public reaction to Wind Waker after Spaceworld which spurred the company to make TP with, well, TP graphics. Nintendo learns from its mistakes.

(Note that the mistake obviously wasn't WW's graphics themselves, but the bait and switch.)


It was a cutscene in which certain features like camera angles could be changed. Nintendo even said that those graphics were not necessarily what the game would have. In fact, development just started a few months ago. I wish that was a true gameplay demo though, because I want to fight an armogohma like that.
kamikazetomato
Posted 7/1/2012 1:32:26 AM
What I'm saying is they took time. It took effort. It wasn't 14 seconds of cutscene.

Moreover it was the sole entity showing off the graphics and not part of a montage. They could've picked any series to represent HD graphics and they chose this one, to do in that specific style.

There is no way this game will be WW style. You're deluding yourself if you think there's the slightest chance of it.
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NihiloExistant
Posted 7/1/2012 2:20:46 AM
From: kamikazetomato | #007
What I'm saying is they took time. It took effort. It wasn't 14 seconds of cutscene.

And that doesn't necessarily mean anything with regard to your point. Perhaps they put in that sort of effort just because it was being used to showcase the graphical capabilities of the system as opposed merely showing what the next Zelda could look like.

Moreover it was the sole entity showing off the graphics and not part of a montage. They could've picked any series to represent HD graphics and they chose this one, to do in that specific style.

Perhaps they picked this series to represent HD graphics because the likes of Mario and Pokemon are always depicted in a less realistic fashion.

There is no way this game will be WW style. You're deluding yourself if you think there's the slightest chance of it.

I'd say you're the deluded one as the support you have for saying this is inconclusive at best. It's like you're saying this simply because you just hope it is the case that we're getting something that will look like the tech demo and are citing any difference you can find between this situation and the one with WW and it's preceding tech demo without regard for whether or not these differences really mean anything.
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Danspurt
Posted 7/1/2012 4:59:53 AM
"You probably remember that when we introduced the GameCube, we showed a somewhat realistic Zelda demo, and what we actually created was the cel-shaded Wind Waker. So when we show a graphic demo, people think, 'Oh, this is what the next Zelda will look like,' but that's not necessarily the case."
- Aonuma
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/07/wii-u-mario-zelda/all/1

The demo wasn't produced by the Zelda team either, but the art director of Twilight Princess headed its production.

But hey, the keywords here are "not necessarily". The demo was met with a lot of positive feedback, where as The Wind Waker's style (unfortunately) got less of that.
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RedwingedMinx
Posted 7/1/2012 9:06:00 AM
Yes, I think they could get away with it if the gameplay itself is good. They got away with it before and they can do it again. Also if they choose to go w/ cel shaded graphics it doesnt mean that they cant still make it look impressive. It doesnt necessarily have to be toon link styled either. They could make an adult Link game w/ cel shaded graphics if they wanted to. To me the graphics are good enough so long as they have a good style. It doesnt need to be realistic. I also thought Windwaker looked way prettier than Twilight Princess. I would love to see a non-toon link cel shaded Zelda.
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