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Olimar vs Pikachu(Canon)

#201SoulstigerPosted 8/6/2013 1:08:15 PM
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Ok...pikachu won this vs since like the first few posts, why are people still debating?


Nothing else to do.


well that makes sense...now i want to join just for fun.


It is, the people not admitting defeat keep trying to rehash the whole, Olimar is so much smarter than Pikachu point.


No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.
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#202ThatPersonGuyPosted 8/6/2013 1:25:23 PM
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Nothing else to do.


well that makes sense...now i want to join just for fun.


It is, the people not admitting defeat keep trying to rehash the whole, Olimar is so much smarter than Pikachu point.


No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.


It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.
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#203SoulstigerPosted 8/6/2013 1:31:52 PM
ThatPersonGuy posted...
Soulstiger posted...
ThatPersonGuy posted...
Soulstiger posted...
JunDageki posted...
well that makes sense...now i want to join just for fun.


It is, the people not admitting defeat keep trying to rehash the whole, Olimar is so much smarter than Pikachu point.


No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.


It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


That's nice, if we are using a level 5 Pikachu. I guess we are using the very start of Pikmin 1 Olimar. Pretty sure wild Pikachu facerolls that Olimar.
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#204ThatPersonGuyPosted 8/6/2013 1:53:55 PM
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No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.


It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


That's nice, if we are using a level 5 Pikachu. I guess we are using the very start of Pikmin 1 Olimar. Pretty sure wild Pikachu facerolls that Olimar.


No, Pikachus are most commonly found in Viridian Forest, and the average levels range from 3-5 or from 4-7, so 5 or 6 would be the best estimate. Olimar gains his abilities on his own, Pikachus need trainers to level up. At best this means that Olimar looses his Thunder resistance, which isn't much of a loss.
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#205MileRunPosted 8/6/2013 2:22:15 PM
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No, Pikachus are most commonly found in Viridian Forest, and the average levels range from 3-5 or from 4-7, so 5 or 6 would be the best estimate. Olimar gains his abilities on his own, Pikachus need trainers to level up. At best this means that Olimar looses his Thunder resistance, which isn't much of a loss.


They can be found from levels 10-15 in Yellow Forest, 18 in the Trophy Garden, 20-26 in the Power Plant, and up to 30 in Resort.
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#206WebBowserPosted 8/6/2013 2:41:28 PM
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It is, the people not admitting defeat keep trying to rehash the whole, Olimar is so much smarter than Pikachu point.


No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.


It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


We have already established that Pikachu cannot OHKO Olimar. If he could, Pikachu would have close to a 100% win rate. The analysis that I have made, and Soulstinger has agreed with, gives Pikachu a 3:1 advantage, meaning a 75% win ratio. Furthermore, pokemon stats do not convert directly into pikmin stats, so 35 hp in the Pokemon world is significantly greater in the Pikmin world. Next off, I think that Pikachu having quick attack is not unreasonable, due to wild Pikachu's being found at a decent variety of places. Also, Pikachu really does not need to attack to shake off pikmin, it has been proven in the pikmin-verse that literally every living being has a way to shake pikmin off, usually by simply shaking themselves. This does not amount to struggle. Lastly, what Pikachu lacks in protection, it has in not being vulnerable. Nearly all Pikmin bosses stand still for significant periods of time, leaving them vulnerable to Olimar. Pikachu is rarely still when it fights, making it extremely difficult for Olimar to even land Pikmin on it. This is why Soul and I concluded that Olimar's only hope for victory is his ultra bitter spray. You can find the exact analysis on the previous page, I really don't wanna rehash this for the third time (or is it fourth, lost track tbh).
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#207SoulstigerPosted 8/7/2013 6:53:18 AM
ThatPersonGuy posted...
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ThatPersonGuy posted...
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ThatPersonGuy posted...

No, there's more to this. You all are overestimating how much damage Pikachu can do in one strike, and leaving it at that. Remember how big Pikachu is in canon, and how that compares to other bosses that can stomp on Olimar, and how Olimar remains standing. A flimsy argument sure, but it proves that Pikachu's attacks aren't 1-Hit KOs on Olimar and Yellow Pikmin.


Please read the rest of the topic before commenting, or at least the newest stuff. Rehashing points that have been done to death won't help you.


It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


That's nice, if we are using a level 5 Pikachu. I guess we are using the very start of Pikmin 1 Olimar. Pretty sure wild Pikachu facerolls that Olimar.


No, Pikachus are most commonly found in Viridian Forest, and the average levels range from 3-5 or from 4-7, so 5 or 6 would be the best estimate. Olimar gains his abilities on his own, Pikachus need trainers to level up. At best this means that Olimar looses his Thunder resistance, which isn't much of a loss.


Really? So at the very start of Pikmin 1 he already has 100 Yellow Pikmin, bitter spray, the metal suit upgrade, and a working ship that can apparently launch debris accurately from orbit despite there being variables that would make it inaccurate no matter what?
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#208WebBowserPosted 8/9/2013 7:58:02 AM
Soulstiger posted...
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It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


That's nice, if we are using a level 5 Pikachu. I guess we are using the very start of Pikmin 1 Olimar. Pretty sure wild Pikachu facerolls that Olimar.


No, Pikachus are most commonly found in Viridian Forest, and the average levels range from 3-5 or from 4-7, so 5 or 6 would be the best estimate. Olimar gains his abilities on his own, Pikachus need trainers to level up. At best this means that Olimar looses his Thunder resistance, which isn't much of a loss.


Really? So at the very start of Pikmin 1 he already has 100 Yellow Pikmin, bitter spray, the metal suit upgrade, and a working ship that can apparently launch debris accurately from orbit despite there being variables that would make it inaccurate no matter what?


Besides the really not well thought out argument from 3 pages ago, where did you get the ship launching scrap metal thing from? There is nothing in Pikmin 1 or 2 that even suggests that the ship is capable of launching scrap period. While I agree using a Viridian Forest Pikachu is a stupid handicap, lets keep our counter-arguments relevant, shall we? I've had enough cruddy arguments with this topic.
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#209SoulstigerPosted 8/9/2013 11:26:15 AM
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It's been repeated several times on Pikachu's speed, and that speed+power = instant K.O., and repeated attacks = victory.

Pikachu can blitz all he wants, he can't do it instantaneously. At the very least there is a slight delay between attacks, which can be used. Does this ensure victory? Not in the least. However, it means that damage can be done. Also note that this means that Pikachu has less health than most Pikmin bosses because of his lack of shielding from enemies, meaning that Olimar has to endure less assault. And, because Pikachu has a limited amount of QA uses in game canon, Pikachu will eventually be unable to use quick attack. Nine times out of ten this Pikachu is from Viridian forest, most likely at level 5. While we can't really use health as a measure of reference, Pikachus only have 35 health in the wild. Quick Attack is not learned until level 13. Rather, the moveset consists of three (four counting struggle) attacks.

Thundershock - A jolt of electricity is hurled at the foe to inflict damage. It may also leave the foe paralyzed.
Growl - The user growls in an endearing way, making the foe less wary. The target's Attack stat is lowered.
Tail Whip - The user wags its tail cutely, making the foe less wary. The target's Defense stat is lowered.

Likely said Pikachu can also use struggle to shake off and potentially damage Pikmin.

Now let's try this again.


That's nice, if we are using a level 5 Pikachu. I guess we are using the very start of Pikmin 1 Olimar. Pretty sure wild Pikachu facerolls that Olimar.


No, Pikachus are most commonly found in Viridian Forest, and the average levels range from 3-5 or from 4-7, so 5 or 6 would be the best estimate. Olimar gains his abilities on his own, Pikachus need trainers to level up. At best this means that Olimar looses his Thunder resistance, which isn't much of a loss.


Really? So at the very start of Pikmin 1 he already has 100 Yellow Pikmin, bitter spray, the metal suit upgrade, and a working ship that can apparently launch debris accurately from orbit despite there being variables that would make it inaccurate no matter what?


Besides the really not well thought out argument from 3 pages ago, where did you get the ship launching scrap metal thing from? There is nothing in Pikmin 1 or 2 that even suggests that the ship is capable of launching scrap period. While I agree using a Viridian Forest Pikachu is a stupid handicap, lets keep our counter-arguments relevant, shall we? I've had enough cruddy arguments with this topic.


I figured I would put that argument to rest before he brought it up, he seems to be stuck a couple pages back on peoples arguments.
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