What if you had decided the rosters of 64/Melee/Brawl?

#1Dark_AresPosted 5/12/2014 10:27:07 PM
That is, let's skip this whole "x character has been in since y game, and thus will stay" kind of stuff. Let's say you had control of what the roster was for each of the past SSB games (of course taking into account the games/characters around at the time). How would you make them different, roster-wise? I had been thinking about this mostly due to Jigglypuff's status as an "Original 12", but I can see a lot of other things being different as well. Here's my version:

SSB64
1. Mario
2. DK (dash attack changed to somersault)
3.[Adult] Link
4. Samus
5. Kirby (dash attack changed to sliding kick, F-Air is air spit)
6. Fox
7. Pikachu
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness (but uses PSI attacks instead of PK)
10. Yoshi
11. Luigi (mandatory clone character, ala Ryu and Ken)
12. Mewtwo (unexpected, villain, similar popularity to Jigglypuff)

Melee
The above 12 PLUS
13. Pokemon Trainer Gold (unlike the Brawl version, this would be the trainer fighting himself with punches/kicks/items, and using Pokemon for his B moves and Smash attacks)
14. Zelda/Sheik (cool idea+OoT still very popular)
15. Bowser (Neutral B changed to fireball on tap, still breath on hold)
16. Ganondorf (NO CLONE VERSION, uses mostly dark magic and a few melee sword moves)
17. Marth
18. Diddy (still notable through DK64, Diddy Kong Racing, and such)
19. Ice Climbers (surprise retro rep+unique mechanic)
20. R.O.B. (more notable super-retro rep than Game and Watch)
21. Peach (Toadsworth on Neutral B is Sunshine was out by this point)
22. Falco (no clone moveset; same A moves as Brawl, all-new B moves)

I know there were originally 25, but given a number were clones I felt the amount of total characters without clones (sans Luigi) had to be reduced.

Changes to old characters include
- Mario switching out Mario Tornado for Hammer
- Luigi getting his current de-cloned treatment+Poltergust as Neutral B
- Kirby getting a new Side B instead of Hammer; maybe something unique like Mirror?
- Samus getting Morph Ball Mode with Down B instead of just bombs
- Captain Falcon getting a dash-grab similar to old Ganondorf on Side B
- Ness getting a new PK attack on Side B
- Yoshi getting a horizontal-jump type attack on Side B like Diddy has

Will do Brawl when I get time.

Anyways, point is, how would you guys do it? What would you have changed?
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#2EstheimasterPosted 5/12/2014 10:28:55 PM
Dark_Ares posted...
SSB64
1. Mario
2. DK (dash attack changed to somersault)
3.[Adult] Link
4. Samus
5. Kirby (dash attack changed to sliding kick, F-Air is air spit)
6. Fox
7. Pikachu
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness (but uses PSI attacks instead of PK)
10. Yoshi
11. Luigi (mandatory clone character, ala Ryu and Ken)
12. Mewtwo (unexpected, villain, similar popularity to Jigglypuff)


Let's be honest. Nobody would have added him except for Sakurai.
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#3G-ScythePosted 5/12/2014 10:31:41 PM
being that I was only 8 years old and had only played Mario, Pokemon, and Ocarina of Time...
the roster would have been very different
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#4Dark_Ares(Topic Creator)Posted 5/12/2014 10:35:29 PM
Estheimaster posted...
Dark_Ares posted...
SSB64
1. Mario
2. DK (dash attack changed to somersault)
3.[Adult] Link
4. Samus
5. Kirby (dash attack changed to sliding kick, F-Air is air spit)
6. Fox
7. Pikachu
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness (but uses PSI attacks instead of PK)
10. Yoshi
11. Luigi (mandatory clone character, ala Ryu and Ken)
12. Mewtwo (unexpected, villain, similar popularity to Jigglypuff)


Let's be honest. Nobody would have added him except for Sakurai.


Okay, so I had no idea what the hell F-Zero was. But sales wise I believe F-Zero X did decently well, as did the SNES version. Plus I've just grown to like him. Same with Ness, and hell, even Fox and Samus.
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#5WrappedInBlackPosted 5/12/2014 10:45:53 PM
N64 roster would stay the same.
Melee would just add Sonic.
Brawl would just add Shadow.
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#6shroom_ninja_XPosted 5/15/2014 11:29:27 PM
SSB64:

I would add Marth instead of Jigglypuff.
Other than that, the roster would stay the same.

Melee:

Pit, King Dedede, Wario, and Sonic instead of Roy, Pichu, Doc, and the Ice Climbers.
The rest of the roster would remain unchanged.
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#7EstheimasterPosted 5/15/2014 11:31:05 PM
Nobody has added Jigglypuff yet... Whelp!
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#8ImSpidey6Posted 5/15/2014 11:33:31 PM
64: Same, but with Bowser and Mewtwo.
Melee: Dr. Mario and Young Link replaced with Wario and King Dedede.
Brawl: Same but with Mewtwo, and Lucas is replaced with Waluigi.
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#9RollingconePosted 5/16/2014 12:21:23 AM(edited)
64:
-Mario
-Luigi
-Bowser
-Princess Peach
-Yoshi
-DK
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf
-Pikachu
-Charizard
-Samus

Melee:
-Fox
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-Dedede
-Diddy Kong
-Skull Kid
-Mewtwo
-Heracross
-Ridley
-Olimar
-Banjo and Kazooie
-Sonic
-Mega Man
-Roy (assuming the executive order would happen independent of Marth already being added)

Brawl:
-Bowser Jr.
-Wario
-Wind Waker Link
-Blaziken
-Lucario
-Krystal (Star Fox)
-Ray 01
-Isaac
-Andy (Advance Wars)
-Villager
-Ike
-Pit
-Nintendog

Absentees:
-Captain Falcon
-Ness
-Jigglypuff
-Sheik
-Zero Suit Samus
-Ice Climbers
-ROB
-Falco
-Wolf
-Squirtle
-Ivysaur
-Marth
-Lucas
-Mr. Game and Watch
-Snake

And I would have never included:
-Pichu
-Doctor Mario
-Young Link

My list just goes to show you how creative Sakurai is, especially when forced to deal with the necessity of clones.

EDIT: Forgot Olimar, so I swapped him in for Toad in the Melee era
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#10rudi1505Posted 5/16/2014 2:35:35 AM
The only games I played when Smash 64 came out (I was only 5 years old back then) were DK64, the Pokémon Games (Stadium 1 & 2, Snap, RBY) and Super Mario All-Stars and Dr. Mario for the SNES as well as many games for the ATARI 2600 (Space Invaders, Mrs. Pacman, Mario Bros., 50 in 1 (really simplistic games like Pong)) and Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monster on the original Game Boy. But DK64 came out later than SSB64, so...

64:
Mario
Dr. Mario
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Blastoise
Primeape
Dragonite
Pidgeot
Gengar
Zapdos
Charizard
Pit

Melee:
Now I can add the characters from DK64. One of my favorite games for a long time.
13. Lanky Kong
14. Tiny Kong
15. Donkey Kong
16. Diddy Kong
17. King K. Rool
18. Yoshi (played Yoshi's Island on the GBA)
19.-25. Fill the rest of the roster with more Pokémon.

Brawl:
Back then I've played Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Sunshine (not completed), The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (not completed back then, but a week ago I've finished the HD version on the Wii U), Luigi's Mansion... Therefore, I would have added
26. Luigi
27. Peach
28. Toon Link
29. Bowser Jr.
30. Waluigi, maybe more from MK:DD's roster, like Petey, Bowser, ....
31.-33. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf from TLoZ:TP (my first TLoZ).
34.-37. With the possibility of 3rd party characters, I can finally add Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. I've played and completed the first 3 Sonic games + Sonic & Knuckles on the SEGA Mega Drive. Also, Pacman (Atari 2600)
38.-39. Fill with Pokémon.

Even though I started so early with the most simplistic consoles and have a huge library of games, it isn't until after Brawl when I began playing franchises other than Mario, Sonic and Pokémon. But I still have never finished a Metroid game (started Metroid Prime 3 Corruption), a StarFox game, a MGS game, a Pikmin game, a Mega Man game or a Kirby game (started Return to Dreamland). But I finished a Fire Emblem Game (Awakening. Radiant Dawn only to 75% or something like that), I played Animal Crossing.. and many games not made by Nintendo.