Pit must be removed from this game.

#21ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 10/13/2012 9:31:37 AM
eellliioottt posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
No matter what he was based on, it doesn't change the fact that Pit himself originiated in a video game.


No he didn't. Pit himself is an adaptation of cupid. His origin is not a video game. Before there was Pit there was Cupid. You cannot possibly say Pit originated in a game when he character's idea was preceded by mythology.


Yes, his idea originated elsewhere. But Pit, as in the actual character Pit, the guy you play as, originated in a game.


You cannot divorce the Pit character from the Cupid character. Pit was very much based on Cupid. You cannot accurately describe Pit's origins without mythology.
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#22ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 10/13/2012 9:33:03 AM
Kagemusha_Oulmn posted...
Actually, while the pronunciation "Kyuupiddo" is commonly used today (due to the influence of English on Japanese), Japanese scholars prefer "Kupiidou" (based on the Latin Cupido) and alternative pronunciations include "Kyuupitto" (retained as the name of a small Japanese supermarket chain) and "Kupitto," both of which include Pit's name entirely unaltered.


Good to know. Thanks for the correction.
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#23lenmuttPosted 10/13/2012 9:33:14 AM
I thought he was based of Icarus...
#24eellliiootttPosted 10/13/2012 9:33:32 AM
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
No matter what he was based on, it doesn't change the fact that Pit himself originiated in a video game.


No he didn't. Pit himself is an adaptation of cupid. His origin is not a video game. Before there was Pit there was Cupid. You cannot possibly say Pit originated in a game when he character's idea was preceded by mythology.


Yes, his idea originated elsewhere. But Pit, as in the actual character Pit, the guy you play as, originated in a game.


You cannot divorce the Pit character from the Cupid character. Pit was very much based on Cupid. You cannot accurately describe Pit's origins without mythology.


But what he was based on doesn't matter. Like I said before, it was Pit and not Cupid that appeared in Kid Icarus. No matter how you look at it, Pit is not Cupid, despite him being based on him.
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#25Poopcorn13Posted 10/13/2012 9:38:43 AM
lenmutt posted...
I thought he was based of Icarus...

Nope. That's just the American name for series, Kid Icarus. Although there are some similarities between the two.
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#26LegendofLegaiaPosted 10/13/2012 9:38:55 AM
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
No matter what he was based on, it doesn't change the fact that Pit himself originiated in a video game.


No he didn't. Pit himself is an adaptation of cupid. His origin is not a video game. Before there was Pit there was Cupid. You cannot possibly say Pit originated in a game when he character's idea was preceded by mythology.


Pit still isn't Cupid, with a significant difference being that Pit isn't even a god, just a general of an angel army (or something like that).

To say that Pit didn't originate in video games because his design is based off of a character from mythology is like saying that Ryu didn't originate from Street Fighter because he's not the first character in history to wear white clothes, a black belt, and a headband.
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#27ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 10/13/2012 9:41:57 AM
eellliioottt posted...

But what he was based on doesn't matter. Like I said before, it was Pit and not Cupid that appeared in Kid Icarus. No matter how you look at it, Pit is not Cupid, despite him being based on him.


What he's based on does matter if we're talking about origins. We cannot truly say Pit originated in games when he was very much based on Cupid.

Before there was Pit in video games there was Cupid in mythology. Pit owes his very existence to Cupid, since he was heavily based on Cupid. Therefore Pit did not truly origonate in a game. His origin lies in mythology. To ignore mythology is to ignore Pit's origins.
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#28eellliiootttPosted 10/13/2012 9:43:39 AM
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...

But what he was based on doesn't matter. Like I said before, it was Pit and not Cupid that appeared in Kid Icarus. No matter how you look at it, Pit is not Cupid, despite him being based on him.


What he's based on does matter if we're talking about origins. We cannot truly say Pit originated in games when he was very much based on Cupid.

Before there was Pit in video games there was Cupid in mythology. Pit owes his very existence to Cupid, since he was heavily based on Cupid. Therefore Pit did not truly origonate in a game. His origin lies in mythology. To ignore mythology is to ignore Pit's origins.


Read LoL's last post in this topic. It says basically everything that needs to be said about this.
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#29ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 10/13/2012 9:46:49 AM(edited)
LegendofLegaia posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
No matter what he was based on, it doesn't change the fact that Pit himself originiated in a video game.


No he didn't. Pit himself is an adaptation of cupid. His origin is not a video game. Before there was Pit there was Cupid. You cannot possibly say Pit originated in a game when he character's idea was preceded by mythology.


Pit still isn't Cupid, with a significant difference being that Pit isn't even a god, just a general of an angel army (or something like that).

To say that Pit didn't originate in video games because his design is based off of a character from mythology is like saying that Ryu didn't originate from Street Fighter because he's not the first character in history to wear white clothes, a black belt, and a headband.


Fine. King Supez didn't originate in comics. He originated in Superman 64.

Anything is possible when you discard critical elements of a character's origins and make arbitrary distinctions. I'm on a horse.

Also, it doesn't matter if Pit doesn't follow Cupid's concept exactly. He's still so similar that we would ignore a significant part of his origons if we said he was unrelated to Cupid.

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#30eellliiootttPosted 10/13/2012 9:44:43 AM
ViewtifulGene posted...
LegendofLegaia posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
eellliioottt posted...
No matter what he was based on, it doesn't change the fact that Pit himself originiated in a video game.


No he didn't. Pit himself is an adaptation of cupid. His origin is not a video game. Before there was Pit there was Cupid. You cannot possibly say Pit originated in a game when he character's idea was preceded by mythology.


Pit still isn't Cupid, with a significant difference being that Pit isn't even a god, just a general of an angel army (or something like that).

To say that Pit didn't originate in video games because his design is based off of a character from mythology is like saying that Ryu didn't originate from Street Fighter because he's not the first character in history to wear white clothes, a black belt, and a headband.


Fine. King Supez didn't originate in comics. He originated in Superman 64.

Anything is possible when you discard critical elements of a character's origins and make arbitrary distinctions. I'm on a horse.


Superman 64 was clearly a game about the Superman show at the time. And in the game he's never even referred to as Supez, he's called Superman.
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