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3 years ago#51
LegendofLegaia posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
No he doesn't. The animated series did not revolve around Superman saving his friends by flying through rings.


Because the animated series never took place in Lex Luther's virtual world.


There are other differences. Animated superman is bulletproof and doesn't need tokens. Animated Superman has an easier time defeating mobsters by punching them instead of flying into them. 64 Superman is the pther way around.
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3 years ago#52
eellliioottt posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
LegendofLegaia posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
Doesn't matter. Pit is heavily based on Cupid, just as Supez is heavily based on Superman. Pit makes some departures from Cupid just as S64 Superman doesn't completely match comic book Superman.

If you're going to arbitrarily disconnect Pit from Cupid then I can arbitrarily disconnect Supez from Superman.


In Superman 64, you're playing as Superman. Just because the internet refers to him as Supez as a joke doesn't mean that the developers of the game intended for Superman in Superman 64 to be a different character from Superman.

In Kid Icarus, however, it's established that Pit is a different character from Cupid. Yes, his design is based off of Cupid, but he has a couple of significant differences between the character. He's not the god of desire/love, he's just an angel in an angel army that's dedicated to serving a goddess. From what I've played of the Kid Icarus game, Pit also doesn't have the ability to make people fall in love, which is something that is heavily connected to Cupid.


Doesn't matter. A character doesn't have to completely follow their origins to be significantly related to his origins. Pit is significantly similar to Cupid for the reasons I listed in the OP, even if the comparison isn't perfect.

Supez doesn't perfectly match Superman in S64's gameplay either. Animated Superman doesn't fly through rings regularly. Animated Superman doesn't need tokens to use superpowers. Animated Superman is bulletproof but not 64 Superman. These differences are as real as the differences you identified for Pit. But both characters are still significantly similar to something else. Pit is significantly similar to Cupid, as is animated Superman to 64 Superman. But you're arbitrarily separating Cupid from Pit. So I can arbitrarily separate 64 Superman from animated Superman.


You're forgetting one key point. The developers intended for the Superman 64 Superman to actually be the character Superman and he was. Pit was never intended to actually be Cupid and he wasn't


Doesn't matter. The end result was a different product even if the intent was not.
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3 years ago#53
dedekong posted...
ViewtifulGene posted...
dedekong posted...
Who cares? Dark Pit is readily available to replace pit.


Dark Pit still owes his origins to Cupid indirectly. He's based on Pit who is based on Cupid. Remove Cupid from the chain and the other two links fall off.


By this logic no characters will be playable at all. Not that this is sound logic anyway, but it pretty much blocks out all characters.


My point is, the line between eligible and ineligible is arbitrary either way. Many characters that people say origonated in games owe their origins to something else. To claim otherwise defies the definition of origin.
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3 years ago#54
ITT: People don't understand what the word origin means
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3 years ago#55
Link did not origin in a videogame, he is based on a young Miyamoto.
3 years ago#56
fuzi11 posted...
Link did not origin in a videogame, he is based on a young Miyamoto.


Miyamoto used to be a racist?
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3 years ago#57
ViewtifulGene posted...
fuzi11 posted...
Link did not origin in a videogame, he is based on a young Miyamoto.


Miyamoto used to be a racist?


No, he used to explore the forest near his home, and eventually went inside a cave after a few years of being afraid of whatever was inside it. That's how he got the idea for Legend of Zelda
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3 years ago#58
pafbonk posted...
Sonic must also be removed because he's a hedgehog. Hedgehogs didn't originate from video games.


Mario must also be removed because he's a human. Humans didn't originate from video games.
Link must also be removed because he's a human. Humans didn't originate from video games.
Luigi must also be removed because he's a human. Humans didn't originate from video games.
Peach...
Zelda...
Marth...
Pokemon Trainer...
etc.

Almost everyone must be removed from this game!
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3 years ago#59
Actually, Donkey Kong must be removed because he's basically just King Kong. This was admitted by Minamoto and other Nintendo reps several times. Although to be technical, the Smash Bros. character is his son.

Also, I always thought this was Pit's origin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus
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3 years ago#60
ViewtifulGene posted...
Pit serves the comely Palutena.

Palutena is soooo hot.

Pit did not originate in a game

Your entire argument is basically "Pit is based on a character that was originally not from a game", correct? The problem with that is, the actual character we're talking about DID originate in a game. Who cares what he was based on or inspired by? Cupid and Pit are totally different. You can say that Donkey Kong was based on King Kong, or Star Fox is based on Star Wars, or Pikmin is based on Star Trek, or Kirby was based on vacuum cleaners, or whatever the heck you want. Regardless if it's true or not, it doesn't change the fact that the character only drew inspiration from somewhere and took on a life of its own.
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