I hope the item switch is removed from this game

#11ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 8:46:01 AM
thebrawler56 posted...
I think it's better to have the online option of casual or competitive matches. Both would be happy.


No, casuals will not be happy with this. Everyone will only choose the competitive option just like they did in Brawl. You say people would have a choice but competitives will force casual players to either play with them or play the game with CPUs.
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#12EarthLord_CJPosted 3/24/2013 8:56:39 AM
*fans flames to make a smoke signal*

Come one, come all!
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#13harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:00:22 AM(edited)
You are a satirical genius!

No, you're not... stop living on this forum, Gene.


The real issue isn't about options vs. no options, it's about default settings either catering to the casual players or catering to the core players.
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#14ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:06:12 AM(edited)
harvestmoonmike posted...
You are a satirical genius!

No, you're not... stop living on this forum, Gene.


The real issue isn't about options vs. no options, it's about default settings either catering to the casual players or catering to the core players.


If you don't like my posts then don't ****ing read them.

Who the **** cares what the default setting is if you can change the settings at will?

Pack up your goddamn false dilemma. Catering to casual and core players is not an either/or situation. Give players enough options and you can give both sides everything they need.
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#15harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:04:45 AM
Casual players are less inclined to go into options and change settings, that, and they're less knowledgable about a game, perhaps not knowing what changes would make their playing more comfortable or how exactly to change them.

Core players know games, they know the ins and outs, they WOULD be inclined to go into options and change the way a game works for their preferences.

A game like Smash shouldn't have default settings catering to the core gamer for this reason.
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#16ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:13:34 AM(edited)
harvestmoonmike posted...
Casual players are less inclined to go into options and change settings, that, and they're less knowledgable about a game, perhaps not knowing what changes would make their playing more comfortable or how exactly to change them.

Core players know games, they know the ins and outs, they WOULD be inclined to go into options and change the way a game works for their preferences.

A game like Smash shouldn't have default settings catering to the core gamer for this reason.


Casual players know how to navigate menus too. It's not ****ing rocket science.

If casuals can't easily access the menus then that's a problem of poor menu design, not a roblem of the game being too hardcore.

The default is irrelevant when players are easily able to adjust settings to their liking.
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#17SalsaSavantPosted 3/24/2013 9:11:59 AM
Take all of my rep.

Wait, we don't have a rep system here.

I'm going to go hunt down SBAllen, force him to add a rep system, and then give you all of mine.
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#18harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:14:18 AM
Point is that it's more difficult for a casual player to change the options to how they'd like to play than it would be for a core player, and that's enough of a distinction to base a default setting on. Casual players just want to jump in and have fun, default settings should match that playstyle. Doesn't mean there wouldn't be options for the rest of us, but the core gamers (you, me, probably all of us here) are willing and able to change these options and set it to the type of game we're most comfortable with.

If they'd default the options to cater to the core gamers, it has the potential to scare off or frustrate several casual players that just want to jump in and have fun with the game in a party setting.
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#19ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:17:38 AM
harvestmoonmike posted...
Point is that it's more difficult for a casual player to change the options to how they'd like to play than it would be for a core player, and that's enough of a distinction to base a default setting on. Casual players just want to jump in and have fun, default settings should match that playstyle. Doesn't mean there wouldn't be options for the rest of us, but the core gamers (you, me, probably all of us here) are willing and able to change these options and set it to the type of game we're most comfortable with.

If they'd default the options to cater to the core gamers, it has the potential to scare off or frustrate several casual players that just want to jump in and have fun with the game in a party setting.


All of this is irrelevant if the menu system is designed well. If the interface is designed well then casuals will have absolutely no problem setting the game up as they want it.

Casual gamers know how to use menus, especially well-designed ones. It's not ****ing rocket science.

Defaults are irrelevant when players can easily adjust their settings. If casuals have difficulty accessing the menus that's a problem of poor menu design, not a problem of the game being too hardcore.
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#20harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:20:49 AM(edited)
You missed the point again, the point was that the casual players inherently would know LESS than a core player, and that's enough of a distinction to base a default setting on.

It sounds to me like you think the casual players should just put up with what core players want, which is an incredibly selfish point of view, and it only makes the game less appealing overall.
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