I hope the item switch is removed from this game

#21ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:23:19 AM
harvestmoonmike posted...
You missed the point again, the point was that the casual players inherently would know LESS than a core player, and that's enough of a distinction to base a default setting on.


No, YOU missed the point. A well-designed interface gives players all the info they need. If the player doesn't know how to access all desired settings then that's a problem of poor menu design, not a problem of the game being too hardcore. With sufficient options and a well-designed menu, players can make the game as casual or hardcore as they want.
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#22harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:27:47 AM(edited)
That's irrelevant to the situation. A default setting exists to cover the widest bases for how a game is most often played that's both fast and easy, that type of setting best fits casual playstyles and the wide range of casual players.

Yes, the menus should be easy to navigate too, and they are, but the point is not to give more work to the casual player, that's doing more damage than giving more work to the core player.
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#23ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:30:55 AM
harvestmoonmike posted...
That's irrelevant to the situation. A default setting exists to cover the widest bases to be how a game is played most often that's both fast and easy, that type of setting best fits casual playstyles and the wide range of casual players.

Yes, the menus should be easy to navigate too, and they are, but the point is not to give more work to the casual player, that's doing more damage than giving more work to the core player.


Defaults are irrelevant when players are easily able to change the settings. A default only matters to the extent that players are unable to change their settings. The moment settings are changed it's no longer default.

The default doesn't make a goddamn difference if all players are able to easily access a menu with sufficient options.
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#24harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:36:55 AM(edited)
It makes a huge difference for those that are casual players and just want to start up a game and have fun.

For instance, items should be defaulted to on, all stages on, tripping on, floaty physics on, whatever else they'd have that makes the game best played for casual players, they come first, they're a larger audience and an audience that Nintendo doesn't ignore. Yes, I agree that the option to turn these off should be there, but core gamers shouldn't feel obligated to have these features defaulted for them, that's incredibly selfish and would harm the experience for the wider audience.
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#25ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:44:18 AM(edited)
harvestmoonmike posted...
It makes a huge difference for those that are casual players and just want to start up a game and have fun.

For instance, items should be defaulted to on, all stages on, tripping on, floaty physics on, whatever else they'd have that makes the game best played for casual players, they come first, they're a larger audience and an audience that Nintendo doesn't ignore. Yes, I agree that the option to turn these off should be there, but core gamers shouldn't feel obligated to have these features defaulted for them, that's incredibly selfish and would harm the experience for the wider audience.


All of this assumes a poorly designed menu. If the menu is designed well it will allow casual players to effortlessly set up the game exactly as desired. If players can't find the menu that's a problem of poor menu design, not a problem of the game being too hardcore.

There is nothing selfish about wanting more options with a menu that is easy for everyone to find and use.
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#26KSUkid55Posted 3/24/2013 9:42:10 AM
Besides, the default setting would obviously be the way it usually is, eg. Items on medium, hazards on normal, 2 minute time, damage 1.0, all stages on random, etc.

Default settings aren't going to be an issue for new options.
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#27harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:42:43 AM
I didn't say the menus should be different or hard to navigate, they should be easy, but EVERYTHING in the game should be easier for the casual player, That includes default setting, a core gamer would put in the extra time and effort whereas a casual wouldn't.
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#28harvestmoonmikePosted 3/24/2013 9:43:56 AM
KSUkid55 posted...
Besides, the default setting would obviously be the way it usually is, eg. Items on medium, hazards on normal, 2 minute time, damage 1.0, all stages on random, etc.

Default settings aren't going to be an issue for new options.


They shouldn't be, right, and they haven't been thus far. But the feeling I get from most fans or core gamers is that the game should be made to fit their needs first, which is malarky.
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#29ViewtifulGene(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:46:26 AM
harvestmoonmike posted...
I didn't say the menus should be different or hard to navigate, they should be easy, but EVERYTHING in the game should be easier for the casual player, That includes default setting, a core gamer would put in the extra time and effort whereas a casual wouldn't.


It doesn't make a goddamn difference what the default is when all players can effortlessly adjust settings to their liking. Defaults only matter to the extent that settings cannot be changed.
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#30Kooky_von_KoopaPosted 3/24/2013 9:51:37 AM
Casual players have ruined gaming. Or better said, developers are becoming the b****** of casual gamers. Look at Nintendo, WII was made to appeal casuals, and now they tried to do the same with Wii U and look what is happening to them!
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