A suggested Phoenix buff.

#1KarsticlesPosted 1/14/2013 8:52:28 PM
Apex made me sad, because it showed to be true what every Phoenix player already knows: she's goddamn easy to counter now. Between Spiral Swords, Ouroboros, Soul Drain, and TAC glitches, I laugh when I see people consistently let Dark Phoenix onto the field. As a Morrigan player, I've played Phoenix users in hundreds of matches, and maybe 20% of the time she gets to come out because I have so many Soul Drain set ups to make sure she dies once and never comes back.

So I suggest a new hyper for Phoenix:

Overload
0 Bars
Frames: 10 startup, 0 recovery, +15 on block, +40 on hit.
Input: rdp.AA
Deals 375,000 damage to Phoenix and creates an explosive sphere 25% larger than the one created by Dark Phoenix rises. Deals 200,000 damage to opponents caught in the blast and places them in a spinning knockdown.

In my mind, if you earned the 5 bars for Phoenix, your opponent should have to contend with that. It's one thing to have characters that have an easier time against Dark Phoenix, like Vergil and Strider, and it's another to have so many ways to prevent her from coming out at all that are built into the game engine. Ideally, TACs will be fixed in the future, but I still think this is a good idea that has a place in Phoenix's moveset.

Full disclosure: I am a Phoenix user.
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#2DreamSwordPosted 1/14/2013 8:53:46 PM
The only buff Phoenix needs is her health increased to 500-600k. She's fine otherwise.
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#3RagingRicansPosted 1/14/2013 8:56:40 PM
Phoenix doesn't need any buffs. Get rid of DP all together and give her health. Top 5 Character right there.
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#4ProzacStylingsPosted 1/14/2013 9:02:51 PM
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#5Karsticles(Topic Creator)Posted 1/14/2013 9:03:38 PM
RagingRicans posted...
Phoenix doesn't need any buffs. Get rid of DP all together and give her health. Top 5 Character right there.

I agree that she'd be top 5 with more health, but that's not the character, and Dark Phoenix for all of her problems (good and bad), is one of the coolest things to ever be in a fighting game. I remember pre-release, Seth Killian said they had something that was the "most insane thing to ever be in a Capcom fighting game". People wracked their brains for months trying to figure it out until Lupinko leaked the details. Everyone was so hype to see how this worked.

I would rather not have that piece of history removed from the game. Dark Phoenix still makes me **** myself when she rises, sometimes even when I'm using her.

"DARK PHOENIX RISES! RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN BURN IN THE FLAMES DIE!!!!"

Be still my heart!
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#6supersmashbrosfPosted 1/14/2013 9:04:35 PM
Terrible idea.
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#7MMX377Posted 1/14/2013 9:06:09 PM
One problem... Phoenix is a true overpowered character. With X-factor and Lv5 - Dark Phoenix, she can do anything to turn this around, despite of being nerf. She can use X-Factor while she can place more traps for any characters dare to approach her (See FChamp). The risk of losing when she is a last standing is sometimes slim, except the point and snapbacking the character for her. With high damage while activating X-Factor, some players can't handle the pressure her very well.
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#8TwistedSensesPosted 1/14/2013 9:06:32 PM
I kinda miss the hype DP used to bring.
Other than that, no.
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#9KajinNinjaPosted 1/14/2013 9:10:39 PM
Karsticles posted...
RagingRicans posted...
Phoenix doesn't need any buffs. Get rid of DP all together and give her health. Top 5 Character right there.

I agree that she'd be top 5 with more health, but that's not the character, and Dark Phoenix for all of her problems (good and bad), is one of the coolest things to ever be in a fighting game. I remember pre-release, Seth Killian said they had something that was the "most insane thing to ever be in a Capcom fighting game". People wracked their brains for months trying to figure it out until Lupinko leaked the details. Everyone was so hype to see how this worked.

I would rather not have that piece of history removed from the game. Dark Phoenix still makes me **** myself when she rises, sometimes even when I'm using her.

"DARK PHOENIX RISES! RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN BURN IN THE FLAMES DIE!!!!"

Be still my heart!


/Extends hand for the highest of fives.

I like that truth be told.
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#10Telly2588Posted 1/14/2013 9:13:18 PM
Is anyone else confused as hell as to what that hyper is supposed to do? I've read it several times and still don't get it.
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