13 year old Kid bodies Insayne and wins tournament. Guess how he did it?

#41jaganshi2Posted 3/4/2013 7:32:08 AM
I sorta see and predict the outcome that happened with Spiral/Sentinel. Only time will tell though.
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#42TwistedSensesPosted 3/4/2013 7:45:12 AM
ZTS_vs_Deck posted...
TwistedSenses posted...
Patrick7286 posted...
Now that I've seen the video, this is such a terrible morrigan whining thread. Yes, his team is top tier, but this is a competition where people are trying to win, and the kid was good. The "look how derp/broken this is" really doesn't work when this kid actually played well. His morrigan was easily better than jrosa's(the real example of bad morridoom play working). Oh and his magneto really did some work in grand finals, but this is a morrigan whining thread so no mention of that!


This. This kid has a far better morrigan than Jrosa. He actually looks like he knows where the fireballs should be, when to go in/fall back etc.

Winning Big 2 doesn't exempt you from getting beaten unless it's by cheap stuff. A player can be on/off at any day, or -can- get beaten by a better player. Morrigan is great, but don't discredit the 13 year old for truly knowing how to employ Morrigan effectively.


No one discredits Josh from anything. The point is Morr/Doom is the best period. Josh couldn't have gotten those results with any other team. People keep saying "It's Chris G, not Morrigan, people don't just play Morrgan and win" They neglect the idea that people don't play Morrigan because they don't like the way she plays and that's the ONLY reason you don't see her all over the place.

She is the determining factor on whether or not your characters are relevant. If you can not deal with Morrgan or even go 6.5-3.5 you are irrelevant.


That's cute but there are some holes in your case.
He obviously put in the time for Morrigan/Doom. Anyone is going to do -better- with their more comfortable teams. Yes, he's using an amazing shell, but by giving it to the characters you are already discrediting him. You cannot be sure whether or not the results would have been different; Insayne may be a good player but he is not above losing, nor is he infallible against all other tactics beyond Morrigan Doom (and he actually has a character or two to deal with said strategy, funnily enough).

You're making a speculation based on a result and believing that it automatically makes your claims far more substantial..but it doesn't. All it does is leave the scenario in the air "If he played x characters instead and was just as good with them, would he have won?"
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#43FabuIousPosted 3/4/2013 8:23:31 AM
if u don't think morri/doom is amazing you have no clue what youre talking about. that combo shuts down 95% of the cast not even letting them push a button.
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#44TwistedSensesPosted 3/4/2013 8:30:45 AM
FabuIous posted...
if u don't think morri/doom is amazing you have no clue what youre talking about. that combo shuts down 95% of the cast not even letting them push a button.


No one is debating that, but your statistic is bs and you know it =3
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#45FabuIousPosted 3/4/2013 8:39:45 AM
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#46felicaPosted 3/4/2013 6:09:22 PM(edited)
I lost to Josh at WB. He's ok......... Morri/Doom just shutdowns alot of teams. BOTH TIMES i killed Mag fairly easy GOT the mixup on Morrigan and dropped the combo. Same thing happened to Insyanne(Who i practice with alot) If you miss that first combo on Morrigan then your done. It's that simple.


And lol no. Insaynne wasn't going "Easy" on Josh.
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#47ZTS_vs_Deck(Topic Creator)Posted 3/5/2013 12:40:49 AM
TwistedSenses posted...
ZTS_vs_Deck posted...
TwistedSenses posted...
Patrick7286 posted...
Now that I've seen the video, this is such a terrible morrigan whining thread. Yes, his team is top tier, but this is a competition where people are trying to win, and the kid was good. The "look how derp/broken this is" really doesn't work when this kid actually played well. His morrigan was easily better than jrosa's(the real example of bad morridoom play working). Oh and his magneto really did some work in grand finals, but this is a morrigan whining thread so no mention of that!


This. This kid has a far better morrigan than Jrosa. He actually looks like he knows where the fireballs should be, when to go in/fall back etc.

Winning Big 2 doesn't exempt you from getting beaten unless it's by cheap stuff. A player can be on/off at any day, or -can- get beaten by a better player. Morrigan is great, but don't discredit the 13 year old for truly knowing how to employ Morrigan effectively.


No one discredits Josh from anything. The point is Morr/Doom is the best period. Josh couldn't have gotten those results with any other team. People keep saying "It's Chris G, not Morrigan, people don't just play Morrgan and win" They neglect the idea that people don't play Morrigan because they don't like the way she plays and that's the ONLY reason you don't see her all over the place.

She is the determining factor on whether or not your characters are relevant. If you can not deal with Morrgan or even go 6.5-3.5 you are irrelevant.


That's cute but there are some holes in your case.
He obviously put in the time for Morrigan/Doom. Anyone is going to do -better- with their more comfortable teams. Yes, he's using an amazing shell, but by giving it to the characters you are already discrediting him. You cannot be sure whether or not the results would have been different; Insayne may be a good player but he is not above losing, nor is he infallible against all other tactics beyond Morrigan Doom (and he actually has a character or two to deal with said strategy, funnily enough).

You're making a speculation based on a result and believing that it automatically makes your claims far more substantial..but it doesn't. All it does is leave the scenario in the air "If he played x characters instead and was just as good with them, would he have won?"


He hasn't put in the time though. He lives alone in Utica, New York. He is the only player there. He just started playing Morr/Doom seriously around November last year. He has no access to top players to practice and rarely comes down to play with us. Stop trying to downplay Morr/Doom and Josh. He played other teams before Morr/Doom and he was not winning at all in Marvel and then he made the switch.
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#48KhadajPosted 3/5/2013 1:36:39 AM
ZTS_vs_Deck posted...

He hasn't put in the time though. He lives alone in Utica, New York. He is the only player there. He just started playing Morr/Doom seriously around November last year. He has no access to top players to practice and rarely comes down to play with us. Stop trying to downplay Morr/Doom and Josh. He played other teams before Morr/Doom and he was not winning at all in Marvel and then he made the switch.


Sorry but I disagree. If he got his Morrigan to that level, then obviously he put time in. It's the player's abilities that determine just how much potential they bring out of a character. Justin Wong said that even if he played Cammy in SFIV, he wouldn't bring out her full potential because he doesn't care for that character.

In that aspect, his Magneto and Doom aren't that great because he still isn't mature enough to fully grasp those characters. HOWEVER, maybe Morrigan just meshes with him
#49MaverickMVIIPosted 3/5/2013 2:49:06 AM
I dunno, I just checked that vid and it seems pretty textbook. Mags tri-jump L, morridoom standard morridoom.

It seems like basically if you have the execution to pull off Morridoom (able to fill the screen with fireballs, and get in to perform combos when necessary) then you can win with it. Both players seemed to just be doing their thing, not thinking about it too much. For Morrigan, this worked out pretty well because the screenfull of projectiles covers her if there is a flaw in 'doing her thing'.

It's like what you see a lot online - players just have internal flowcharts and keep doing stuff. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I think the variables in the Morridoom flowchart are pretty simple ones (aim the soulfist hi or lo? can you shell kick at this distance or not?) and the same for Mags really (are they in range for airdash L? would H be better for option selects?) so if you know you have the execution to back it up then it can be pretty strong.

That said, that kinda just applies to games where both players are trying to do their own thing, as seemed to be the case here imo.
#50Lord_Shadow_19Posted 3/5/2013 6:02:10 AM
ZTS_vs_Deck posted...
TwistedSenses posted...
ZTS_vs_Deck posted...
TwistedSenses posted...
Patrick7286 posted...
Now that I've seen the video, this is such a terrible morrigan whining thread. Yes, his team is top tier, but this is a competition where people are trying to win, and the kid was good. The "look how derp/broken this is" really doesn't work when this kid actually played well. His morrigan was easily better than jrosa's(the real example of bad morridoom play working). Oh and his magneto really did some work in grand finals, but this is a morrigan whining thread so no mention of that!


This. This kid has a far better morrigan than Jrosa. He actually looks like he knows where the fireballs should be, when to go in/fall back etc.

Winning Big 2 doesn't exempt you from getting beaten unless it's by cheap stuff. A player can be on/off at any day, or -can- get beaten by a better player. Morrigan is great, but don't discredit the 13 year old for truly knowing how to employ Morrigan effectively.


No one discredits Josh from anything. The point is Morr/Doom is the best period. Josh couldn't have gotten those results with any other team. People keep saying "It's Chris G, not Morrigan, people don't just play Morrgan and win" They neglect the idea that people don't play Morrigan because they don't like the way she plays and that's the ONLY reason you don't see her all over the place.

She is the determining factor on whether or not your characters are relevant. If you can not deal with Morrgan or even go 6.5-3.5 you are irrelevant.


That's cute but there are some holes in your case.
He obviously put in the time for Morrigan/Doom. Anyone is going to do -better- with their more comfortable teams. Yes, he's using an amazing shell, but by giving it to the characters you are already discrediting him. You cannot be sure whether or not the results would have been different; Insayne may be a good player but he is not above losing, nor is he infallible against all other tactics beyond Morrigan Doom (and he actually has a character or two to deal with said strategy, funnily enough).

You're making a speculation based on a result and believing that it automatically makes your claims far more substantial..but it doesn't. All it does is leave the scenario in the air "If he played x characters instead and was just as good with them, would he have won?"


He hasn't put in the time though. He lives alone in Utica, New York. He is the only player there. He just started playing Morr/Doom seriously around November last year. He has no access to top players to practice and rarely comes down to play with us. Stop trying to downplay Morr/Doom and Josh. He played other teams before Morr/Doom and he was not winning at all in Marvel and then he made the switch.


Whatever you want to call it, but his Morrigan looks a lot cleaner than JRosa and Nerdjosh's Morrigans.
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