Why does tourney seeding favor successful players?

#11ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 4:48:16 PM
NickOfTime posted...
it's to keep weak players from advancing past pools and making things boring for everyone else, obviously


Variation is more exciting than the same 8 people on stream every month.

Senor Taxi was WAY more exciting/hype than anything else at NCR.

Apologyman was WAY more hype than anything else at SCR.

People like new names/teams/matchups, a lot more than they like Fooblat vs Flux XXIIV, so this assessment is totally incorrect, or misguided if they actually believe it.

The people that make it out of a pool are the strongest people in that pool. It's not the TO's place to say some contestants need to have harder matches than others.
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#12BassVIIPosted 5/4/2013 4:54:30 PM(edited)
so that finals day is hype and leaves the people there with a good feeling/experience so they come back

and more recently so they get higher stream numbers

randoms can be exciting (see: Taxi) but that's not something you can be certain of, while high level play tends to be more consistently exciting, so TOs go with that

Also might be to make it so tourney circuits like road to EVO are more relevant to players (since usually that just means more sponsors, which is all about the staff)... and seeding points are the easy way to do that? I can kind of see the logic behind it increasing hype in more tourneys throughout the year.
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#13MedicalGamerPosted 5/4/2013 4:49:41 PM
One word: tradition.

I think that is how we're stuck on this.
Should it be change? Absolutely.
Is it going to be easy? No it's not.
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#14BassVIIPosted 5/4/2013 4:50:32 PM
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#15ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 4:57:17 PM
BassVII posted...
so that finals day is hype and leaves the people there with a good feeling/experience so they come back

and more recently so they get higher stream numbers

randoms can be exciting (see: Taxi) but that's not something you can be certain of, while high level play tends to be more consistently exciting, so TOs go with that

Also might be to make it so tourney circuits like road to EVO are more of a thing to players (since usually that just means more sponsors, which is all about the staff)... and seeding points are the easy way to do that?


Randoms will always be more exciting than a Pro v Pro matchup people have already seen fifteen times. Even if it's some random that magically made it through ~8 rounds without getting bodied(re: actual decent player), only to get clobbered by soul fist. So, still misguided.
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#16ArmandoXIIIlPosted 5/4/2013 5:04:11 PM
The FGC is more staged than pro wrestling
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#17NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 5:04:29 PM
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 5:48:16 PM | #011
The people that make it out of a pool are the strongest people in that pool. It's not the TO's place to say some contestants need to have harder matches than others.


but then you'd get Chris G vs "random guy who doesn't really know what he's doing but he got out of pools anyway because there were no good players in it" in top 8

that's not entertaining for anyone involved at that point

also consider that if there's one top player in a certain pool, that means that the two people who will make it out will very likely be the top player (winners) plus the best unknown person of that pool (in losers), weeding out the weak players early and efficiently
#18NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 5:09:53 PM
From: NickOfTime | #057
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 5:48:16 PM | #011
The people that make it out of a pool are the strongest people in that pool. It's not the TO's place to say some contestants need to have harder matches than others.


but then you'd get Chris G vs "random guy who doesn't really know what he's doing but he got out of pools anyway because there were no good players in it" in top 8

that's not entertaining for anyone involved at that point

also consider that if there's one top player in a certain pool, that means that the two people who will make it out will very likely be the top player (winners) plus the best unknown person of that pool (in losers), weeding out the weak players early and efficiently

At this point, if Chris G is involved, it's not going to be entertaining for anyone.
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#19NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 5:11:26 PM
then replace Chris G with JWong or PR Rog or FChamp

having a 3-0 in less than 10 minutes isn't fun for players or viewers or random people in a dark alley making side bets
#20ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 5:11:42 PM
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 5:48:16 PM | #011
The people that make it out of a pool are the strongest people in that pool. It's not the TO's place to say some contestants need to have harder matches than others.


but then you'd get Chris G vs "random guy who knows what he's doing more than every other randomly selected member of his pool so he got out of pools anyway because there were no good players in it" in top 8

that's not entertaining for anyone involved at that point


Chris G vs Senor Taxi

I dunno how many times I've gotta say "Pro vs underdog random > pro vs pro the 38th edition we've seen a dozen times".

Your idea that the latter is more exciting is flat incorrect.
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