Why does tourney seeding favor successful players?

#21NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 5:13:56 PM(edited)
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 6:11:42 PM | #020
Chris G vs Senor Taxi


that match was more about Chris G messing up and less about Taxi being good

it even spawned a big joke about the PS3


and some people appreciate good clean gameplay
#22lol_whatPosted 5/4/2013 5:13:14 PM

At this point, if Chris G is involved, it's not going to be entertaining for anyone.


i'd rather watch chris then two jerks doing 50/50 mixups at eachother all day
#23NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 5:19:49 PM
From: lol_what | #102
i'd rather watch chris then two jerks doing 50/50 mixups at eachother all day

You're in the minority. People are tired of "Random Tournament: Chris G Edition".
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#24RagingRicansPosted 5/4/2013 5:25:41 PM(edited)
NoizyChild posted...
From: lol_what | #102
i'd rather watch chris then two jerks doing 50/50 mixups at eachother all day

You're in the minority. People are tired of "Random Tournament: Chris G Edition".


I thought thats how it was in MVC2 and everyone loves MVC2 right? RIGHT!?!?!

Wait nvm I make no sense
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#25ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 5:24:45 PM
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 6:11:42 PM | #020
Chris G vs Senor Taxi


that match was more about Chris G messing up and less about Taxi being good


No, it wasn't.

The twitterwar was about PS3. The match, and commentary, and hype, was because someone they didn't know was beating somebody they know.

People LIKE this. People LIKE underdogs. It creates a sense of inclusion instead of exclusion, creates an idea that the everyday marvel-man has a shot, and that the game and community is larger than FGTV's tiny house + Chris G.
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#26NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 5:39:07 PM
no, people just want to see Chris G lose. even people in this topic are tired of Chris G winning all the time, and if a top player like JWong beat Chris G at that exact moment, everyone would probably have still been excited
#27NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 5:41:55 PM
From: NickOfTime | #106
no, people just want to see Chris G lose. even people in this topic are tired of Chris G winning all the time, and if a top player like JWong beat Chris G at that exact moment, everyone would probably have still been excited

Yeah, but him losing to an underdog would make it that much more exciting.

Still, at this point, people are just tired of Chris G.
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#28ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 5:49:36 PM
NickOfTime posted...
no, people just want to see Chris G lose. even people in this topic are tired of Chris G winning all the time, and if a top player like JWong beat Chris G at that exact moment, everyone would probably have still been excited


Excited? Sure.

As excited? No.

Apology Man vs F. Champ. Insane Hype.

People do not get out of their seats for cool tech from known pros.

They get out of their sets for cool/new tech from people they haven't seen.

A 3-0 whooping of some random doesn't even ruin the chance to place bets. That's what odds were made for. "I'll give you 5 to 1 on Marlin against this gai".

The entertainment validation is totally out the window.
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#29BassVIIPosted 5/4/2013 5:57:37 PM
From: ProzacIsBack | #015
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so that finals day is hype and leaves the people there with a good feeling/experience so they come back

and more recently so they get higher stream numbers

randoms can be exciting (see: Taxi) but that's not something you can be certain of, while high level play tends to be more consistently exciting, so TOs go with that

Also might be to make it so tourney circuits like road to EVO are more of a thing to players (since usually that just means more sponsors, which is all about the staff)... and seeding points are the easy way to do that?


Randoms will always be more exciting than a Pro v Pro matchup people have already seen fifteen times. Even if it's some random that magically made it through ~8 rounds without getting bodied(re: actual decent player), only to get clobbered by soul fist. So, still misguided.


what

Randoms are not more exciting than pro vs pro. Really good random with a chance of winning vs pro can be more exciting than pro vs pro. Randoms that have that chance are rare though, which is one reason it's so exciting when that happens. The ones that are legitimately good (e.g. Apologyman) also become well known names afterwards, which will reduce the chances of hype randoms even more...

If you've seen JWong blow up random 3-0 with 2 perfects in winners finals of his pool, you have to realize that that is not hype at all. The randoms that make it through 8 rounds are probably decent players, yes... but that's not enough to be a challenge against the top dogs.

TOs that want their finals days to be consistently exciting do not want to take the chance to find out if the randoms are great players, because that could destroy the whole experience. pro vs pro is just a safer way to have the hype, even if that hype might not be as large as random beating chris g.
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#30TomoEK9Posted 5/4/2013 6:03:00 PM
ProzacIsBack posted...
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 5:48:16 PM | #011
The people that make it out of a pool are the strongest people in that pool. It's not the TO's place to say some contestants need to have harder matches than others.


but then you'd get Chris G vs "random guy who knows what he's doing more than every other randomly selected member of his pool so he got out of pools anyway because there were no good players in it" in top 8

that's not entertaining for anyone involved at that point


Chris G vs Senor Taxi

I dunno how many times I've gotta say "Pro vs underdog random > pro vs pro the 38th edition we've seen a dozen times".

Your idea that the latter is more exciting is flat incorrect.

Fluke that it was good.

While Random Vs. Pro can be mad hype cause everyone likes to see an underdog, watching a pro OCV a random 3x in a row in 20 seconds also incredibly dull.