Why does tourney seeding favor successful players?

#31CrispyPimpPosted 5/4/2013 7:11:41 PM
itt: prozac tries to tell people what they should be entertained by
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#32ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 7:17:04 PM
CrispyPimp posted...
itt: prozac points out what has been massively entertainment to large amounts of stream monsters, forum posters, and commentators in the past; and it's not intentionally designed brackets that turn out identical to the last major's bracket


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#33LordRattergunPosted 5/4/2013 7:19:42 PM
Gotta agree with the TC, the "bracket fixing" is pretty moronic as it is.
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#34KhadajPosted 5/4/2013 7:21:51 PM
It's because it beneficial for both the pros and the viewers. If pros were placed against each other in pools, then they all knock each other out. And many matches in pool are not streamed. This not only hurts the players, but it also hurts the fans.

You see two randoms playing against each other and unless they are good, doesn't draw interest. Less people watch the stream, less potential customers view advertisements, and so on. Nobody wants to see a top 8 filled with randoms who had weak brackets. Whereas all the pros knocked each other.

So seeding actually helps the FGC. But many people fail to see this.
#35KhadajPosted 5/4/2013 7:24:39 PM
ProzacIsBack posted...
BassVII posted...
so that finals day is hype and leaves the people there with a good feeling/experience so they come back

and more recently so they get higher stream numbers

randoms can be exciting (see: Taxi) but that's not something you can be certain of, while high level play tends to be more consistently exciting, so TOs go with that

Also might be to make it so tourney circuits like road to EVO are more of a thing to players (since usually that just means more sponsors, which is all about the staff)... and seeding points are the easy way to do that?


Randoms will always be more exciting than a Pro v Pro matchup people have already seen fifteen times. Even if it's some random that magically made it through ~8 rounds without getting bodied(re: actual decent player), only to get clobbered by soul fist. So, still misguided.


I think it's more true to say an underdog that manages to beat a pro is exciting. But seeing randoms are anything but that. You watch two good random players on XBL but it's not exciting. You watch Apologyman and SenorTaxi beat FChamp and ChrisG and that brings in views.
#36ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 7:25:17 PM
Khadaj posted...
It's because it beneficial for both the pros and the viewers. If pros were placed against each other in pools, then they all knock each other out. And many matches in pool are not streamed. This not only hurts the players, but it also hurts the fans.

You see two randoms playing against each other and unless they are good, doesn't draw interest. Less people watch the stream, less potential customers view advertisements, and so on. Nobody wants to see a top 8 filled with randoms who had weak brackets. Whereas all the pros knocked each other.

So seeding actually helps the FGC. But many people fail to see this.


ITP, when two pros play eachother, they both get eliminated

So lets rig the brackets to give some players intentional advantages

/lol

//p.s., more people would come and give you money to enter tournaments if brackets were not rigged against them, therefore giving the TO more money and growing the scene
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#37NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 7:55:04 PM
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 7:25:17 PM | #036
//p.s., more people would come and give you money to enter tournaments if brackets were not rigged against them, therefore giving the TO more money and growing the scene


so people should be given more wins instead of earning them like the top players do? if they didn't get eliminated in a boring fashion in pools where no one would care anyway, it would happen in late brackets in front of a bunch more people

if they lose early it knocks some sense into them to get better if they want to win more, or give up and pick something else up
#38ProzacIsBack(Topic Creator)Posted 5/4/2013 8:01:48 PM
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 7:25:17 PM | #036
//p.s., more people would come and give you money to enter tournaments if brackets were not rigged against them, therefore giving the TO more money and growing the scene


so people should be given more wins instead of earning them like the top players do? if they didn't get eliminated in a boring fashion in pools where no one would care anyway, it would happen in late brackets in front of a bunch more people

if they lose early it knocks some sense into them to get better if they want to win more, or give up and pick something else up


Chris G does not have to worry about Justin Wong in his pool, because everybody in his pool is guaranteed to be a random due to the TO's meddling.

Random Kid Y does, because the TO is not organizing things in his favor. He is forced to get past a monster in his pool, and any pros the bracket throws his way later.

Random Kid Y has to work harder to win the tournament than Chris G does. Not "as hard". That is the point of this thread. Tournament Seeding currently favors pro players, and it has no reason to. From a competitive standpoint, it should not favor anyone. From an ethical standpoint, it certainly should not give handicaps to those that need them the least.
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#39NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 8:03:28 PM(edited)
From: NickOfTime | #157
so people should be given more wins instead of earning them like the top players do? if they didn't get eliminated in a boring fashion in pools where no one would care anyway, it would happen in late brackets in front of a bunch more people

if they lose early it knocks some sense into them to get better if they want to win more, or give up and pick something else up

No one's saying that people should be given wins, but it's not exactly a confidence booster when you enter your first tournament, and your first opponent is Chris G, Yipes, or PR Balrog.

He's basically saying that brackets shouldn't be an auto-lose situation. More people would sign up if they knew that they automatically wouldn't be making it out of pools.

There's a difference between there being a chance it could happen, and knowing with absolute certainty that you've lost before the tournament has even started.
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#40NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 8:09:51 PM
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:01:48 PM | #038
Chris G does not have to worry about Justin Wong in his pool, because everybody in his pool is guaranteed to be a random due to the TO's meddling.


but there was a time in which he did have to worry about someone like JWong being in his pool because he hadn't become a good/known player. he still put in the time to get good enough anyway, and now he has to worry about JWong later

From: NoizyChild | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:03:28 PM | #039
it's not exactly a confidence booster when you enter your first tournament, and your first opponent is Chris G, Yipes, or PR Balrog.


that would probably be even worse if all three of them were in your same pool, wouldn't it?