Why does tourney seeding favor successful players?

#41NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 7:13:40 PM
From: NickOfTime | #160
that would probably be even worse if all three of them were in your same pool, wouldn't it?

If you get that unlucky, sure. But in a randomly generated bracket, what are the chances of that happening?

The point is, people would feel more confident entering a tournament with an actual randomly generated bracket, where they have an actual chance of making it out of their pool, as opposed to one where they know with absolute certainty that they aren't making it out of their pool.
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#42NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 7:16:05 PM
From: NoizyChild | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:13:40 PM | #041
what are the chances of that happening?


instead of having a kind of small but still plausible chance, how about no chance of having more than one "pro" in your pool? if you get sent to losers first round by some top player, you can still run through the losers side without someone else to check you
#43ProzacStylingsPosted 5/4/2013 7:17:59 PM
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacIsBack | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:01:48 PM | #038
Chris G does not have to worry about Justin Wong in his pool, because everybody in his pool is guaranteed to be a random due to the TO's meddling.


but there was a time in which he did have to worry about someone like JWong being in his pool because he hadn't become a good/known player. he still put in the time to get good enough anyway, and now he has to worry about JWong later


He only has to worry about J Wong later if J Wong makes it to that level in the bracket. Is that a strong possibility? Sure. Is that a guarantee? No.

Random Player Y has to worry about a pro player in his immediate pool guaranteed, as well as all the pro players not in his pool later on. Perhaps you're not understanding it, but when the TO seeds a player in a pool with no other known players on purpose, it is a definite, clear advantage for that player. That's not contestable.

From: NoizyChild | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:03:28 PM | #039
it's not exactly a confidence booster when you enter your first tournament, and your first opponent is Chris G, Yipes, or PR Balrog.


that would probably be even worse if all three of them were in your same pool, wouldn't it?


If that was the result of not seeding pro players apart, you'd be correct.

But it's not the result. In that scenario, there would be two other pools that did not have a pro player, full of randoms that have a sliver of hope at the tournament big-life(they might even come back next month, oh my), and, wait for it...

the same competitive opportunity offered to them as every other player that signed up.

Because right now, that fair distribution does not exist.
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#44KromagnumPosted 5/4/2013 7:20:55 PM
Bigezzay08 posted...
I completely agree with everything you just said.

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#45NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 7:22:04 PM
From: ProzacStylings | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:17:59 PM | #043
full of randoms that have a sliver of hope at the tournament big-life(they might even come back next month, oh my), and, wait for it...

the same competitive opportunity offered to them as every other player that signed up.



and then they get 3-0'd instantly in front of everyone after barely making it out of pools and feel even worse
#46ProzacStylingsPosted 5/4/2013 7:23:01 PM
NickOfTime posted...
From: ProzacStylings | Posted: 5/4/2013 8:17:59 PM | #043
full of randoms that have a sliver of hope at the tournament big-life(they might even come back next month, oh my), and, wait for it...

the same competitive opportunity offered to them as every other player that signed up.



and then they get 3-0'd instantly in front of everyone after barely making it out of pools and feel even worse


ITP, guy that doesn't make it out of pools feels better than guy that makes it out of pools and then gets bopped during hype

lolno
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#47NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 7:24:28 PM
From: NickOfTime | #205
and then they get 3-0'd instantly in front of everyone after barely making it out of pools and feel even worse

They'd feel a lot better getting 3-0'd after making it out of pools, as opposed to getting stomped out their very first match.

Making it out of pools might inspire them to work harder to make it even further.

Getting OCV'ed during their first match might make them not come back.
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#48NickOfTimePosted 5/4/2013 7:26:37 PM
If you truly believe that you have a chance against top players whether you meet them in pools or you meet them in late brackets despite not being that good yourself, you're delusional. Making it past some people doesn't mean anything if you can't make it past top players, because either way they're going to eliminate you if you're not good enough. Seeding top players away from each other might even help mid-level players make it out of pools (in losers), since there's only ONE OF THEM to worry about in a given pool. It's not just for top players.
#49NoizyChildPosted 5/4/2013 7:38:24 PM
From: NickOfTime | #208
If you truly believe that you have a chance against top players whether you meet them in pools or you meet them in late brackets despite not being that good yourself, you're delusional. Making it past some people doesn't mean anything if you can't make it past top players, because either way they're going to eliminate you if you're not good enough. Seeding top players away from each other might even help mid-level players make it out of pools (in losers), since there's only ONE OF THEM to worry about in a given pool. It's not just for top players.

You're missing the entire point.

Nobody is going to go to their first tournament expecting to beat some pros.

However, nobody is going to go to their first tournament expecting to get completely destroyed in the first match, either.

Making it out of pools in a tournament gives people confidence and incentive to get better, and to come back to try again.

Getting flattened in the first match makes people not want to come back, especially after knowing that the brackets were intentionally rigged that way.

More people coming back and playing = more money for TOs = more enjoyable matches for stream monsters = more tournaments and community events = more notoriety.
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#50SolidAbyssPosted 5/4/2013 7:41:58 PM
Much as I hate seeding, it's the people who are in pools job to attempt to stop the known players. Getting all the known players to top 8 is the organizers fault for wanting to make more money via stream views. But if they really dislike it, it should make the people in pools to work harder and make the known players lose in pools early.

Just a thought. I hate seeding still, but it just motivate me to do even better.
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