1:24:10 Nerfs Confirmed!

#71PanopictonguyPosted 10/5/2012 9:30:30 PM
Ether_Sword posted...
Panopictonguy posted...
DigitalFusion posted...
Don't mind them nerfing stuff but nerfing the bee which helped kill bosses quicker could have negative effects...

More dupers for example!

Not many people will want to farm endless hours even longer without the bee's power.

But i'm sure there's other legit methods of quick kills.


Getting the Bee in PT1 considerably reduces the challenge in PT2.


If you have the patience to find one. But then it would make sense if your patience is rewarded for something to reduce the challenge (as long as you don't get hit often.)


Get Deliverance....You don't even have to see enemies to kill them.
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#72Maniac_DancePosted 10/5/2012 9:32:19 PM
From: Cmac4 | #069
Gujin would you agree though that there are more important things that need to be patched first? Stuff like modding or the gamebreaking profile glitch that still isnt fixed for some people. Then there are sooo many weapons that are just underpowered, most combat rifles for instance are extremely underwhelming. Or the extremely low drop rate for legendaries which causes people to look for game breaking stuff like The Bee just to speed up the boring that is farming the same boss for 10+ hours to get one Orange. Maybe its just me but id much rather see them buff the underpowered stuff before nerfing the OP stuff. It just seems like there are quite a few concerns from the community that they should work on first before zer0ing in on The Bee. I dont really mind The Bee getting nerfed that much, it wont affect me a whole lot but IMO there are other things that need tweaking first.

As a side note the nerf will most likely make The Bee pretty useless which is a little sad. If they have it drain shield like other amps then its pretty much no longer a legendary, its just a slightly better amp shield which arnt great anyways since you dont really get enough damage for the huge survivability you loose. If all they do is reduce its amp damage some then itll still be used just as often it will just take slightly longer to kill stuff. So it seems like after the nerf everyone will either continue to use it or they will just use Hide instead and everybody will still be running around with identical shields.


Pretty much put into words what I was too clumsy to articulate myself. ^5
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#73PanopictonguyPosted 10/5/2012 9:32:25 PM
Cmac4 posted...
Gujin would you agree though that there are more important things that need to be patched first? Stuff like modding or the gamebreaking profile glitch that still isnt fixed for some people. Then there are sooo many weapons that are just underpowered, most combat rifles for instance are extremely underwhelming. Or the extremely low drop rate for legendaries which causes people to look for game breaking stuff like The Bee just to speed up the boring that is farming the same boss for 10+ hours to get one Orange. Maybe its just me but id much rather see them buff the underpowered stuff before nerfing the OP stuff. It just seems like there are quite a few concerns from the community that they should work on first before zer0ing in on The Bee. I dont really mind The Bee getting nerfed that much, it wont affect me a whole lot but IMO there are other things that need tweaking first.

As a side note the nerf will most likely make The Bee pretty useless which is a little sad. If they have it drain shield like other amps then its pretty much no longer a legendary, its just a slightly better amp shield which arnt great anyways since you dont really get enough damage for the huge survivability you loose. If all they do is reduce its amp damage some then itll still be used just as often it will just take slightly longer to kill stuff. So it seems like after the nerf everyone will either continue to use it or they will just use Hide instead and everybody will still be running around with identical shields.


Tediore guns can use the AMP damage on the explosion without using the Amp charge.
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#74MetaIGearRexPosted 10/5/2012 9:35:05 PM
Fungum posted...
Well that's irritating. The mobs aren't hard or difficult without The Bee. It simply makes them more tolerable to farm for hours.

Seto_Ryu posted...
Finally. Maybe a bit of variety now.


No one is forcing you to use The Bee. There won't be any new "variety." The majority of farmers will find the next combo to take down bosses and mobs as quickly as possible.

It's like Blizzard trying to eliminate cookie-cutter builds. It's something that will never happen. So quit changing the game play mechanics to try and make it so.


I guarantee all it took was the videos that popped up on YouTube with 7 second raid boss kills. Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.

I seriously can not believe the complaints and it hasn't even happened. I wish I could make physical contact with you people SO bad sometimes.
#75PanopictonguyPosted 10/5/2012 9:35:38 PM
The main issue is people don't have the decency to only use The Bee when farming big game. If you equip the Bee + a Homing Dart pistol that's a wrap. Just hold the right trigger and everything will die.

The Bee is nice, it's just people don't know how to not ruin other peoples games.

Maybe the Nerf will only take effect when in MP. I'd like The Bee to stay the way it is.
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#76FungumPosted 10/5/2012 9:38:14 PM(edited)
Bhellium posted...
That is an option but it's not a great one, open public games being what they are. Only playing private is an option but not a perfect solution either.


No, it's not, but it's a better solution than nerfing The Bee for the entire population. Which, seems to be largely in favor of keeping The Bee as it currently is.

I hate to be the guy to bring in what is usually a politically charged statement. But, what this topic seems to have boiled down to, is "The Good of the Many vs. The Good of the Few."

And if you'd rather change things in a way that will negatively impact the majority, then you and I will never get along. Especially since the people who seem to be against The Bee are an incredibly small percentage of the player base.

I'm not directing that towards you, personally, Bhellium. It's just a general statement.

MetaIGearRex posted...


I guarantee all it took was the videos that popped up on YouTube with 7 second raid boss kills. Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.

I seriously can not believe the complaints and it hasn't even happened. I wish I could make physical contact with you people SO bad sometimes.


To do what...exactly? Oh, right, you're a 90th black belt in judomikodaid karatwandojutsu.
#77mfv12979Posted 10/5/2012 9:38:07 PM
i rather enjoy the game than sit there and farm for hours and hours on end. bee don't need nerf. its good to have something that can kill things faster. like everyone else i don't play 24/7 just to farm orange gears. i can only have me time like 3 to 4 hours a day. i rather spend my time in real life than farm, just because the cry babies have more than 12 hours a day to play.
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#78Cmac4Posted 10/5/2012 9:39:17 PM
MetaIGearRex posted...
Fungum posted...
Well that's irritating. The mobs aren't hard or difficult without The Bee. It simply makes them more tolerable to farm for hours.

Seto_Ryu posted...
Finally. Maybe a bit of variety now.


No one is forcing you to use The Bee. There won't be any new "variety." The majority of farmers will find the next combo to take down bosses and mobs as quickly as possible.

It's like Blizzard trying to eliminate cookie-cutter builds. It's something that will never happen. So quit changing the game play mechanics to try and make it so.


I guarantee all it took was the videos that popped up on YouTube with 7 second raid boss kills. Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.

I seriously can not believe the complaints and it hasn't even happened. I wish I could make physical contact with you people SO bad sometimes.


Honesly it doesnt seem like they wanted Terra to be a real boss, even without The Bee he dies in under a minute and he also drops crappy loot :/ I hope they do a real raid boss in some DLC, one that is very hard but worth it because you get some rewards.
#79OrgeLambartPosted 10/5/2012 9:39:31 PM
This is awesome

So they are taking this shield that is pretty awesome but very limited. That small capcity means you'll go down pretty fast which is the entire point of why you got such a huge advantage in terms of damage.

So they'll nerf a single player game because little babies are crying about seeing other players kill creatures too fast?

Don't see the big deal really, oh well, I already completely own the entire game, I'm good with using my Hide of Terramorphus.

Feel bad for the people who wasted time farming The Bee.


Oh wait no I don't... should have gotten one duped for you and saved yourself the effort, see why farming is stupid, just wait a few months until the level cap goes up and all these guns are useless.
#80Unpure_EuphoriaPosted 10/5/2012 9:40:28 PM
From: MetaIGearRex | Posted: 10/6/2012 12:35:05 AM | #074
Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.

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