Should they nerf The Bee?

#61cobaltlotusPosted 10/6/2012 9:49:49 AM
GujinKami posted...
From: cobaltlotus | #210
It's not a dumb counter-argument. It's actually smarter than saying "Oh, people use this i countless games that have zero effect on my gameplay, so it should be nerfed into the Earth's core." How stupid do you sound?

Duping is fine then, right? No need to fix that?

Modding is fine then, right? No need to fix that?


Duping, again, is something you don't need to use. I don't chastise other players for duping, as I do it myself when I find a gun my friends might like. I have really good luck with legendaries dropping on one or two kills from a boss, so I'm fine with duping.

And please, don't even bring modding into this, rofl. The only form of 'modding' that BL2 has right now is hex-editing things like your skill points and your badass tokens. Hell, you can't even hex the tokens because they're linked to the profile GPD, not the save. If players want to mod, sure - that's their choice entirely. I modded in DkS after beating the game several times with untouched characters and I mostly played solo or with a friend. But that's none of anyone's business.

Both of those things are choices. Let people do as they wish - I've never had a problem with modding within the realms of reason. If someone develops a willowtree-style editor for BL2 I'll probably make some custom guns that are awesome - like a decent assault rifle that doesn't shoot bloody ****ing rockets. Those annoy me to death.

Case in point - each of those is a choice. People make those choices at their own discretion. It's none of your business, because nine times out of ten it will NEVER affect how you play.
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#62MetaIGearRexPosted 10/6/2012 9:52:04 AM
GujinKami posted...
From: MetaIGearRex | #256
Yes, raid bosses should take more than 7 seconds.

Badass ass should take more than 1 hit. Honestly with the Bee equipped this is the easiest FPS I've ever played in my entire life.

You were defending it last night, nice sarcastic post right there.


Oh I found it for you, my first post in your topic last night.

From: MetaIGearRex | Posted: 10/6/2012 12:35:05 AM | #074
Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.
#63GujinKamiPosted 10/6/2012 9:52:17 AM
From: MetaIGearRex | #260
No I have never defended the Bee, you must be suffering from sleep deprivation,

You're absolutely right. My apologies.
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#64cobaltlotusPosted 10/6/2012 9:54:05 AM
MetaIGearRex posted...
GujinKami posted...
From: MetaIGearRex | #256
Yes, raid bosses should take more than 7 seconds.

Badass ass should take more than 1 hit. Honestly with the Bee equipped this is the easiest FPS I've ever played in my entire life.

You were defending it last night, nice sarcastic post right there.


Oh I found it for you, my first post in your topic last night.

From: MetaIGearRex | Posted: 10/6/2012 12:35:05 AM | #074
Like it or not that was never supposed to happen, it was not gearboxes intent.

They want the raid bosses to be raid bosses, not take less time than a loading screen.


That's funny, because without the Bee, me and my friends - with a squad makeup of Siren, Commando, Commando, and Assassin - learned how to zerg Terra down to zero within a minute of play, before we had either the CC, the Bee, or any other legendary. Lol.

Terra is NOT a hard boss. He's actually a massive joke. You could consider that Vermi is harder because of the way he needs to spawn.. but he's a joke once every other varkid is down.
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#65Cordawg411Posted 10/6/2012 9:55:20 AM
cobaltlotus posted...
GujinKami posted...
From: Cordawg411 | #203
Sivrak posted...
It takes the fun out of the game and in my mind if you kill a boss in 4 seconds with it obviously it's not how a boss fight should go.


THEN DON'T USE THE BEE IF IT RUINS YOUR EXPERIENCE

There's that dumb argument again. People like you, who know they're right and retort with a counter-argument that is 1000% moronic when said.


It's not a dumb counter-argument. It's actually smarter than saying "Oh, people use this i countless games that have zero effect on my gameplay, so it should be nerfed into the Earth's core." How stupid do you sound?

Plenty of people play this game solo - multiplayer for it is merely an OPTION, not a requirement, when it comes to playing and enjoying this game. Likewise, people who use the Bee, usually use it for soloing so they can farm bosses and have an easier time in a game more geared towards co-op.

The thousands of people playing it solo have ZERO effect on your game, since there's nothing but a simple P2P connection possibly connecting you to other players. But when you close your lobby to randies, you're now playing solo with no possibility of co-op, and then no possibility of playing with randies/dupers/glitchers/etc. Thus, you're playing solo and other players can't possibly have any effect on your game.

If people want to play solo, use the Bee + CC or whatever guns they use to be OP and kill a boss as fast as possible, then that's their right. They paid for the game just like you did; that doesn't give you ANY say over how they play it and what they do in it, especially if they play it ALONE and don't bother anyone else.

Drop the holier-than-thou attitude and get over yourself.


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Stop trying to control how I enjoy MY Borderlands experience.
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#66StopthinkPosted 10/6/2012 9:55:26 AM
I don't know if you guys know this but BL2 has an online component. Everything you do online can and will affect another person's enjoyment of the game. Duping, modding, using the Bee, screaming on the mic like a 12 year old, everything. If you cannot understand that, then you will never have a credible opinion on nerfing/buffing/patching.
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#67GujinKamiPosted 10/6/2012 9:55:27 AM
From: cobaltlotus | #304
That's funny, because without the Bee, me and my friends - with a squad makeup of Siren, Commando, Commando, and Assassin - learned how to zerg Terra down to zero within a minute of play, before we had either the CC, the Bee, or any other legendary. Lol.

And with The Bee+CC, you can kill him less time solo.
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#68MetaIGearRexPosted 10/6/2012 9:57:30 AM(edited)
I agree with Bosses are too easy without Bee, maybe they felt Craw was too hard so they toned it down way too much.

Maybe the real solution is to buff every enemy in the game. Either way it TOO easy.
#69cobaltlotusPosted 10/6/2012 9:56:44 AM
GujinKami posted...
From: cobaltlotus | #304
That's funny, because without the Bee, me and my friends - with a squad makeup of Siren, Commando, Commando, and Assassin - learned how to zerg Terra down to zero within a minute of play, before we had either the CC, the Bee, or any other legendary. Lol.

And with The Bee+CC, you can kill him less time solo.


And if I choose to do that, what can you do about it? You have no power over how other people play and enjoy their game, though you probably wish you did.

It all comes down to how I want to play MY Borderlands 2. Nobody else chooses for me.
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#70SamuriChameleonPosted 10/6/2012 9:57:05 AM
First off, this game isn't single player to all of you people who say it is. It has a single player option, but it is not single player. And secondly, the whole mentality that it is a single player game so something extremely overpowered should not be changed is complete bull****. It destroys any balance in a game and makes it so people do not have to play the way the devs intended and it allows you to do things you shouldn't be able to do.

And then there's those of you who insist the bee is already balanced with it's recharge delay. If you have ever actually used the thing, you know that it allows you kill everything you see before it has chance to touch you, so why the hell is this relevant?

I really don't care whether or not the thing gets nerffed or even buffed, I really do not. But you're half-assed, zero intelligence answers are pissing me off. Please stop posting them.
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