how does this siren build look?

#11PTP2009Posted 3/12/2013 6:45:24 AM
Argyle_Gargoyle posted...
ive heard very mixed reviews at best for blight phoenix. is the damage from the skill worth it?


The damage is so low it's completely negligible. However, it does cause enemies to stumble like they've been shot, which is useful enough to warrant 1 point just to get that effect.
#12Argyle_Gargoyle(Topic Creator)Posted 3/12/2013 7:01:54 AM
this is another build ive thought about for 50. not nearly the DPS, but really good survivability. i am trying to keep res in to help out my friend as i am playing this character almost exclusively co op. this one seems like it would be fun for crowd control and manipulating the battlefield.

ive read on thoughtlock, and honestly, to me it does appeal all that much. i prefer fighting the enemies rather than watching them fight each other, and it seems like it would be pretty worthless against raid bosses. feel free to correct me if im wrong as i have not ever used the skill. just going based on its description

both this and the other are designed around using the legendary siren COM. i got one from pete on a different character, so i already have one waiting in my bank for when i hit 50. the 1s in bottom skills are simply to take full advantage of the COM's bonus points.

http://talent.87bazillion.com/2/siren.php?153501020054050105511100000000

thoughts/critiques
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#13JkickitPosted 3/12/2013 8:00:44 AM
Honestly, I'd skip Sustenance completely and put those points into maxing Elated or maxing Sweet Release +4 in Elated.
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#14AlleRacingPosted 3/12/2013 9:49:16 PM
Quicken is useless.
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#15Argyle_Gargoyle(Topic Creator)Posted 3/13/2013 4:11:10 AM
AlleRacing posted...
Quicken is useless.


really? seems like it would be good on paper. more phase locking is always good right? i guess maybe the effect isnt pronounced enough?

not disagreeing since i dont have experience with it, but would you mind explaining why its bad?
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#16AlleRacingPosted 3/13/2013 5:17:18 AM
Increasing cool down rate sounds a bit misleading. Phaselock has a base cool down of 13 seconds, or a cool down rate of 1/13. Increasing that by 12% by having 2 points in Quicken makes that rate 1.12/13, for a cool down time of 11.6 seconds, a pretty small improvement. Not only that, but cool down rate experiences diminishing returns.
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#17HappyGoNowherePosted 3/13/2013 5:26:28 AM
What Relic are you using? I never found another I liked so I just use Blood of the Seraphs, saving points into Sustenance.

Of course you might have a really good one that makes it the better option.
#18WretchedOwlPosted 3/13/2013 5:48:09 AM
Argyle_Gargoyle posted...
AlleRacing posted...
If you're using Res fairly often, Suspension isn't really helping that. I'd drop those 2 points from Suspension and put them into either Kinetic Reflection or Elated. I'd also drop 4 points from Flicker (assuming Legendary Class mod with that distribution?) and put them into Blight Phoenix.


ive heard very mixed reviews at best for blight phoenix. is the damage from the skill worth it? regardless, for a legendary siren setup, you are probably right about flicker. dont think id need a full 10/5 in it and the points could be useful elsewhere.

also, what are people's opinions on scorn and thought lock? i dont know a whole ton about them TBH.


Blight Phoenix is useless in my opinion. I stay at mid-long range with my siren unless my shield goes down, which means super firehawk explosions, and the blight phoenix damage isn't even noticeable.
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#19JkickitPosted 3/13/2013 5:50:50 AM
If you're going to use Blight Phoenix, only put one point into it, it's one of the more useless skills. The 1 point in there is because it "stuns" enemies when they get burned if they get too close to you.
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#20Argyle_Gargoyle(Topic Creator)Posted 3/13/2013 5:56:10 AM(edited)
HappyGoNowhere posted...
What Relic are you using? I never found another I liked so I just use Blood of the Seraphs, saving points into Sustenance.

Of course you might have a really good one that makes it the better option.


i use a sheriffs badge on my other 50s (love that fire rate and im a pistol nut) but im open to using anything.

i farmed a good might of the seraphs relic that has %35 cooldown and melee, so thats definitely an option as well.
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