What is the Ultimate Izanagi build?

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2 years ago#31
Boomerang78 posted...
Oh, and small question--why are you editing out things like (insulting) and "hell?"


Because I was being aggressive and I've calmed down a bit. That was my bad really, i apologize for it.
2 years ago#32
Lol, I don't consider that offensive. Oh well. My fault for underestimating the factor of Square Root when calculating damage formulas.
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2 years ago#33
Boomerang78 posted...
At which point, it's better just to switch in a Persona that specializes in elemental attacks (with corresponding break), because it's a better pick. As stated before, it's better to have specialists than all-rounders. You'd defeat Marie quicker that way. A Persona with Ziodyne and the Amp/Boost skills with Mind Charge will do far more than your build of Izanagi will ever hope to do. There is a reason why you can hold up to and switch around with 12 Personas at a time.


He didn't ask to build an izanagi that is reliant on switching. Why build a "specialized" all physical izanagi when you can make a yoshi that's a million times better? He asked for the best build, an all physical build is anything but best.

Boomerang78 posted...
synthetiksin posted...
My argument is sound and I read your response and still think your argument is stupid. No use yelling at stupid little children because they'll never learn.


Your argument is, thus far, poorly based and at this point consisting only of "your argument is stupid" and "wtf." Oh, and way to pull the age card despite both of our ages being anonymous at this point. You sure showed me!


Whooooooooooooshhhh. No but you surely showed me how immature and uneducated you are.

Switching out to a different persona when it's "safe" is 100% impractical. You base your damage off of base damage and then insult others when your build is wholly crap by itself. You back up your claims with faulty logic. Notice that I didn't say anything about your build even though I could have easily done so?
2 years ago#34
synthetiksin posted...
He didn't ask to build an izanagi that is reliant on switching. Why build a "specialized" all physical izanagi when you can make a yoshi that's a million times better? He asked for the best build, an all physical build is anything but best.


Why build an all-rounded Izanagi when there are countless other Personas that can do the same thing, but better? Oh wait, it's because he wants the most out of Izanagi, not any other Persona.

Whooooooooooooshhhh. No but you surely showed me how immature and uneducated you are.

Switching out to a different persona when it's "safe" is 100% impractical. You base your damage off of base damage and then insult others when your build is wholly crap by itself. You back up your claims with faulty logic. Notice that I didn't say anything about your build even though I could have easily done so?


I insult others? Please, I insult people's builds, not the people. The closest I came was saying you knew nothing about the game (as evidenced by your Almighty argument, you Victory Cry argument, suggesting God's Hand over Primal Force...). You, however, have wasted no time in calling me a child, stupid, immature and uneducated. Oh, and apparently I'm a "tryhard." The hypocrisy here is absolutely astonishing.

You have said nothing about my builds because they are good builds, meant for dealing the maximum amount of damage possible while at the same time eliminating every possible weakness (to a degree, you can still be damaged, but nothing with knock you down or outright kill you any longer). The build works upon its strengths--Primal Force is helped by Arms Master (for a cheaper cost), Apt Pupil (for a higher crit rate), Power Charge (obviously). While, at the same time, it blocks Izanagi's weakness to wind and completely negates all instant death attacks. I'd say that's pretty good, and it leaves one (or two) spots open to throw in whatever you want.

And my Victory Cry argument still stands. Put Victory Cry on any Persona. Switch to it, and then have it win the battle. Easy-peasy, and your super-powerful Persona has more offensive options rather than waste a slot for convenience.
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2 years ago#35
Might want Null/Abs/Repel Phys on them though.

You're just gonna massacre yourself with obscene levels of physical damage the moment High Counter activates.
2 years ago#36
For the lulz at one point I just put all the absorb and reflect skills i could on my Izanagi.

My only weakness was the almighty...Almighty damage.
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2 years ago#37
Your attitude makes you a tryhard. Specially reserved for those who talk but then use wrong information. Victory cry is fine, same with almighty.

I didn't have anything on your builds because I didn't care enough to read it until you started spouting nonsense. Then I looked and was pretty surprised how much crappier your build is.
2 years ago#38
I never really found High Counter to be frequent enough to justify the Null/Abs/Repel Phys, but just the same, it's a good choice for a slot, hence why I put that free one at the bottom of both the physical and magical builds (though it probably wouldn't be good for the magical build :P).

To elaborate on my specialists vs. all-rounders point--the fact that the protagonist has 12 persona slots just makes specialists more useful in a given situation. I can't think of any point in Persona 4 where you would NEED to have a well-rounded Persona to survive, much less provide the most optimal way of defeating a boss. The only thing that needs to be "well-rounded" are a Persona's weaknesses--since you're going to want it to be on the offense as much as possible. Specialists maximize offense and defense. With an all-rounder, it will take more time to defeat enemies because your attacks won't be dealing as much damage as a specialist could.

And even though I just said that a Persona without specialist defenses (by that, I mean a Persona with no weaknesses, but not many nulls/absorbs/repels VS a Persona with a complete set of resists). What's better in a scenario where a boss only casts fire spells? A Persona that reflects fire and is weak to every other element, or the Persona that's resistant to all elements? The former, of course, because it works in such a situation. The question that remains is this: is that situation frequent enough to justify a specialist? In the case of a physical specialist, yes. But in the case of using Megidolaon? No--especially when you consider that some bosses and enemies DO resist Almighty, and there ARE break spells to make elemental spells deal normal damage again... there are no break spells for Almighty to remove those resists.
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2 years ago#40
Can you please calm down guys? Let's relax and not go overboard alright? I just wanted to know a really great build to make the most out of Izanagi as I love his Persona design-wise and story-wise (I even kept Orpheus in P3 on my MC because I grow attach to starting things regardless if they become useless in the end).

I'll pick the skills I want on my Izanagi, but I'm definitely going to add the Absorb Wind, Repel Physical, and Null Hama skills on my Izanagi to cover all weakness. Then I'm going to add the skills I want for a "magic-orientated" Izanagi.

Just relax and respect each one's opinions and difference alright? If that's what they want for their build, that's fine... just don't look down on them and help provide extra feedback to help 'em OK?
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