After seeing the Epilogue, I have two things I like to know... (Major Spoilers)

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Raven236
Posted 12/13/2012 11:22:29 PM
Nightmare637 posted...
Raven236 posted...
darker95 posted...
wait so does that mean marie is yu canon girl?


I would go more with rise, but anyways.

Even if you go firend route with Marie she still treats Yu in the same way.

Plus if it was canon why would she not want to help him out in P4A? seeing how shes a god and all??


maybe she can't?

Or she diden't even know what was happening, I mean it wasen't really a well known event.


Perhaps she coudent help him out, but i doubt she would not keep an eye out for him...
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VirusChris
(Topic Creator)
Posted 12/13/2012 11:27:18 PM
Raven236 posted...
Nightmare637 posted...
Raven236 posted...
darker95 posted...
wait so does that mean marie is yu canon girl?


I would go more with rise, but anyways.

Even if you go firend route with Marie she still treats Yu in the same way.

Plus if it was canon why would she not want to help him out in P4A? seeing how shes a god and all??


maybe she can't?

Or she diden't even know what was happening, I mean it wasen't really a well known event.


Perhaps she coudent help him out, but i doubt she would not keep an eye out for him...


Maybe she was taking her time to be reborn as a human or fit into society? We're not sure when she started her job plus the circumstances during that time were done by a mysterious evil entity with possible similar god-like abilities to block out her powers to detect the Protagonist.

Plus the whole incident was resolve quickly too, probably not enough time to get them and help out or she can send her powers to the TV World unless she was inside the TV World herself.


Anyway about my other questions?
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Raven236
Posted 12/13/2012 11:34:35 PM

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VirusChris posted...
Raven236 posted...
VirusChris posted...
Just clarifying... and for my first question?


Yeah i feel they should have talked about the P4A events more, that would have helped to clear some minor things up.

But then again Marie isnt mentioned in P4A. But she appears in the Epilogue ending...

Too busy working as a weather girl i suppose.


To be fair, they had Marie disappear in March and reappear at a later date which the Epilogue takes place in August and they haven't seen her in a while and brought it up... and the whole incident during Persona 4 Arena really wasn't the time to bring Marie up at that point.

Though for the rest of my question, Arena was released before Golden in Japan too, right?


Oh! And another question... were the party aware that Mariko Kusumi is Marie under a different name or not? I assumed so seeing as she openly says she loves the Protagonist and Rise is quick to react to it (I love how Marie messes with Rise).


Mariko Kusumi is Marie under a different name.

She took on a diffrent name from "Maire" as she quotes in her social link "Maire" was a borrowed name from the Valvet room.
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VirusChris
(Topic Creator)
Posted 12/13/2012 11:35:02 PM
Yeah, but... does the party knew it's Marie or not that's what I'm asking.
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Raven236
Posted 12/13/2012 11:37:26 PM

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VirusChris posted...
Yeah, but... does the party knew it's Marie or not that's what I'm asking.


Dont know, Rise noticed her.

But her noticing that "Marie" is unknown. (The one from the Events in the game)

She could have easily wiped the party's memories of her save Yu.
And replaced them with new ones.
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Nightmare637
Posted 12/13/2012 11:36:58 PM
VirusChris posted...
Yeah, but... does the party knew it's Marie or not that's what I'm asking.


I think they did otherwise thet'd have a much easier time of answring nanako.
FlareKnights
Posted 12/13/2012 11:39:48 PM
A lot of interesting things to consider.

As to why Marie didn't help out I've got a couple theories. The person behind that incident might have been able to interfere with her to a certain extent. Also entirely possible she just has faith in the MC and his friends. They saved her after all, why not just trust that they can take care of themselves? Of course might also have just not noticed, Might have been some transition period as she was reunited with her other pieces and became whole.

It would have been nice for them to give more information as to the Arena incident, but I suspect they didn't want to restrict themselves. Might not have decided whether they are going to have the followup to Arena happen during that first break or during this summer vacation that the MC is back for. Gives them some flexibility while giving a nod to that incident.

I'm pretty sure they knew it was Marie. Their reactions seemed to indicate that. Not too surprising that she'd take up a "stage name" like that. They certainly remembered her before the MC went home and don't think they'd forget her or not recognize her.
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Birth_By_Sorrow
Posted 12/13/2012 11:44:02 PM
Interesting. Just saw the "Marie is Izanami-No-Mikoto" part.

This means the Izanami you fought was again, just another facet of her. This can be concurred by the fact that she states after Hollow Forest that the voice which spoke through her briefly sounded like hers.

But then why would she keep her own memories of what she put into motion from herself? Did she bask herself in the lies she believed people sought to see if any 1 person would strive to bring that truth back to light?

It's no wonder there's no Golden ending w/o the Hollow Forest. Had they only defeated Izanami, the whole truth again would have been lost, since the truth lied with the "true" Izanami and her alone (Marie). If you don't save her, the truth dies with her.

As for the epilogue, I'm about to check it out. It's sad though that P4A doesn't seem to get a bigger shout out according to this thread, but perhaps they are saving those details for the sequel (whether a fighting game or other spin-off of P3/P4) where the conflict will be resolved.
Raven236
Posted 12/13/2012 11:48:12 PM

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Birth_By_Sorrow posted...
Interesting. Just saw the "Marie is Izanami-No-Mikoto" part.

This means the Izanami you fought was again, just another facet of her. This can be concurred by the fact that she states after Hollow Forest that the voice which spoke through her briefly sounded like hers.

But then why would she keep her own memories of what she put into motion from herself? Did she bask herself in the lies she believed people sought to see if any 1 person would strive to bring that truth back to light?

It's no wonder there's no Golden ending w/o the Hollow Forest. Had they only defeated Izanami, the whole truth again would have been lost, since the truth lied with the "true" Izanami and her alone (Marie). If you don't save her, the truth dies with her.

As for the epilogue, I'm about to check it out. It's sad though that P4A doesn't seem to get a bigger shout out according to this thread, but perhaps they are saving those details for the sequel (whether a fighting game or other spin-off of P3/P4) where the conflict will be resolved.


I remember Izanami saying the comb Marie had was cursed and preventing her of getting her memmories back. (Or something like that)
Thus when Marie gave Yu the bamboo comb she regained her memories.

But good question why would she do that to herself?
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FlareKnights
Posted 12/13/2012 11:56:49 PM
The way I looked at it, as time went on the Izanami we knew started to gain power until she and Marie split. With Izanami taking all the power Marie was left in a weak state and Izanami probably wanted to make sure she'd remain the most powerful. With that comb as her only possession Izanami turned Marie into her puppet with a menial role. Then the Izanami we knew put her plan into motion. Testing her belief that people preferred the comfort of fog and lies.

But yeah, not surprised that Arena didn't get more than an acknowledgement. Probably weren't sure when they were making that epilogue exactly how they were going to handle the follow up to Arena. Best to just say "yes it happened" and leave it at that until they knew for sure what they were going to do.
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