About Minato and Narukami's power difference *massive spoilers*

#21kratoscar2008Posted 1/9/2013 2:58:37 PM
Masemune_100 posted...
kratoscar2008 posted...
From story standpoint

-He had a more threatening rival in Nyx
-The Dark Hour affect people outside Tartarus so the things he has to deal are more dangerous.
-The TV world is an easier place summon personas so the SEES have more endurance than the P4 cast.
-He has the Universe Arcana (Yeah is the same as the world but according to the persona universe the world arcana isnt as strong as the Universe arcana.)
- His sheer will to be alive for one month speaks of him well enough.

As you see Minato/Minako is stronger.


I'm not going to deny any of that, but isn't the only reason because of the events of Persona 3? Because they were dealing with some crazy **** compared to 4, and Minato had to deal with it, but all his strength came from the Wild Card, which Yu also has. Technically wouldn't anyone with it have been able to stop Nyx if thrown in that situation?
Except Aigis. She's got one dead/sealed S. Link lol.


Probably but since we cant swtich places between them the only thing we can judge is based on their accomplishments.

Another note Yu has Hassoi Tobbi but you just need a Persona with Null it and he is screwed, Armaggedon on the other hand is unblocable.

If we pput Minato agaisnt Margaret he could win but if we put Yu agaisnt Liz.......He wont last long.
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#22VenusAdeptIsaacPosted 1/9/2013 3:01:32 PM
This same old boring and tired argument that has been beaten to death, dragged through the mud, and fed to the dogs. People CONSTANTLY argue between the main characters of Persona 3 and Persona 4 for no real reason. COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that there are other Persona and Megami Tensei games besides Persona 3 and Persona 4.
#23AlcinkingPosted 1/9/2013 3:01:33 PM
kratoscar2008 posted...
Masemune_100 posted...
kratoscar2008 posted...
From story standpoint

-He had a more threatening rival in Nyx
-The Dark Hour affect people outside Tartarus so the things he has to deal are more dangerous.
-The TV world is an easier place summon personas so the SEES have more endurance than the P4 cast.
-He has the Universe Arcana (Yeah is the same as the world but according to the persona universe the world arcana isnt as strong as the Universe arcana.)
- His sheer will to be alive for one month speaks of him well enough.

As you see Minato/Minako is stronger.


I'm not going to deny any of that, but isn't the only reason because of the events of Persona 3? Because they were dealing with some crazy **** compared to 4, and Minato had to deal with it, but all his strength came from the Wild Card, which Yu also has. Technically wouldn't anyone with it have been able to stop Nyx if thrown in that situation?
Except Aigis. She's got one dead/sealed S. Link lol.


Probably but since we cant swtich places between them the only thing we can judge is based on their accomplishments.

Another note Yu has Hassoi Tobbi but you just need a Persona with Null it and he is screwed, Armaggedon on the other hand is unblocable.

If we pput Minato agaisnt Margaret he could win but if we put Yu agaisnt Liz.......He wont last long.


Actually he can defeat liz jus watch persona 4 arena liz's story mode ending .
#24ZeraylphPosted 1/9/2013 3:02:36 PM(edited)
Considering how in P3 you can pass on Ultimate moves, Messiah can inherit all the Ultimate Spells from other Ultimate Personas
with Magic Skill Up, and Boost/Amp that does a ton of damage, even without Magic Charge

But yeah this argument has been made many times :|
a bit too much
#25CaptainSackboyPosted 1/9/2013 3:02:31 PM
VenusAdeptIsaac posted...
This same old boring and tired argument that has been beaten to death, dragged through the mud, and fed to the dogs. People CONSTANTLY argue between the main characters of Persona 3 and Persona 4 for no real reason. COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that there are other Persona and Megami Tensei games besides Persona 3 and Persona 4.


And that is why Persona fans have a bad reputation. :P
#26FScellPosted 1/9/2013 3:02:48 PM
If we pput Minato agaisnt Margaret he could win but if we put Yu agaisnt Liz.......He wont last long.


A fight balanced for one vs 4, that's not really a point of comparison.
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#27VenusAdeptIsaacPosted 1/9/2013 3:04:28 PM
CaptainSackboy posted...
VenusAdeptIsaac posted...
This same old boring and tired argument that has been beaten to death, dragged through the mud, and fed to the dogs. People CONSTANTLY argue between the main characters of Persona 3 and Persona 4 for no real reason. COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that there are other Persona and Megami Tensei games besides Persona 3 and Persona 4.


And that is why Persona fans have a bad reputation. :P


LOL It's completely ridiculous. This argument should die for Izanami's sake.
#28ZeraylphPosted 1/9/2013 3:05:41 PM
VenusAdeptIsaac posted...
CaptainSackboy posted...
VenusAdeptIsaac posted...
This same old boring and tired argument that has been beaten to death, dragged through the mud, and fed to the dogs. People CONSTANTLY argue between the main characters of Persona 3 and Persona 4 for no real reason. COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that there are other Persona and Megami Tensei games besides Persona 3 and Persona 4.


And that is why Persona fans have a bad reputation. :P


LOL It's completely ridiculous. This argument should die for Izanami's sake.

:p if she has the power to lock this.
By all means go for it
#29kratoscar2008Posted 1/9/2013 3:05:42 PM
Alcinking posted...
kratoscar2008 posted...
Masemune_100 posted...
kratoscar2008 posted...
From story standpoint

-He had a more threatening rival in Nyx
-The Dark Hour affect people outside Tartarus so the things he has to deal are more dangerous.
-The TV world is an easier place summon personas so the SEES have more endurance than the P4 cast.
-He has the Universe Arcana (Yeah is the same as the world but according to the persona universe the world arcana isnt as strong as the Universe arcana.)
- His sheer will to be alive for one month speaks of him well enough.

As you see Minato/Minako is stronger.


I'm not going to deny any of that, but isn't the only reason because of the events of Persona 3? Because they were dealing with some crazy **** compared to 4, and Minato had to deal with it, but all his strength came from the Wild Card, which Yu also has. Technically wouldn't anyone with it have been able to stop Nyx if thrown in that situation?
Except Aigis. She's got one dead/sealed S. Link lol.


Probably but since we cant swtich places between them the only thing we can judge is based on their accomplishments.

Another note Yu has Hassoi Tobbi but you just need a Persona with Null it and he is screwed, Armaggedon on the other hand is unblocable.

If we pput Minato agaisnt Margaret he could win but if we put Yu agaisnt Liz.......He wont last long.


Actually he can defeat liz jus watch persona 4 arena liz's story mode ending .


Sorry i meant from a gameplay standpoint, sure he can beat Liz but using his Wild card ability, if you defeat her Yu still is showed to be overwhelmed by Liz strenght.

In the P3 battle agaisnt Liz you need Armaggedon and the invencibility skill otherwise she put you to sleep in her 4 or 5 turn.
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#30FScellPosted 1/9/2013 3:05:44 PM
The problem with this discussion is that almost every metric put forth is something arbitrarily decided by the fanbase, and not something firmly established with the games themselves.

Gameplay is somewhat fairer, but the differeing rulesets make it unreliable.
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