Persona 4 Golden

terran3999999 posted...

Actually Brotagonist is quite an oddball.

We always assumed that Izanami was the one who gave him the Wild Card but she specifically said she only 'gave your powers a gentle push' which implies Bro might have had the power already but the thing is that he never met Philly before and no, I'm not talking about the save points, that's all gameplay.

That gentle push was the ability to summon Persona. Even if the butterfly is just gameplay Atlus confirmed that it's Philemon, so Yu had contact with Phil, thus the Wild Card.

Crok425 posted...

terran3999999 posted...

Actually Brotagonist is quite an oddball.

We always assumed that Izanami was the one who gave him the Wild Card but she specifically said she only 'gave your powers a gentle push' which implies Bro might have had the power already but the thing is that he never met Philly before and no, I'm not talking about the save points, that's all gameplay.

That gentle push was the ability to summon Persona. Even if the butterfly is just gameplay Atlus confirmed that it's Philemon, so Yu had contact with Phil, thus the Wild Card.

It was izanagi and the ability to enter the tv.
phil gave him the wild card, the fool arcana and the ability to summon personas.
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Yes, she did gave him Izanagi and also the power to summon Persona, as we seen with Adachi.
And no, Philemon didn't gave him the Fool Arcana, the Arcana comes naturally, because if it was Philemon then all the playable characters of P1 and P2 would be Fools. The only thing Philemon can do is give the power of Persona and the Wild Card, nothing else... and change time but that's not part of the conversation.

Crok425 posted...

Yes, she did gave him Izanagi and also the power to summon Persona, as we seen with Adachi.
And no, Philemon didn't gave him the Fool Arcana, the Arcana comes naturally, because if it was Philemon then all the playable characters of P1 and P2 would be Fools. The only thing Philemon can do is give the power of Persona and the Wild Card, nothing else... and change time but that's not part of the conversation.

no they would have not been fool, it was need for the story for maya and tat to be sun and moon. p1and 2 can still use the fools

aigis/ and yu got the fool arcana only after meeting philemon`s proxy and going to the velvet room.
adachi and namatame had the potiential as all people do.

Also, remember that the protagonists of P3/4 are the only characters in the entire series who are of the Fool Arcana; when you consider the actual symbolism, this might imply that they have a stronger natural affinity for using multiple personas than the Persona users in the first two games. For one, the P3/4 MCs are the only Wild Cards who have equal affinity with personas of all arcana, and they can each carry up to 12 personas by themselves, as opposed to, say, the remake of Persona 2, where your entire party combined can only hold up to 14 in reserve (not counting the extra 28 that can be stored in the Velvet Room). Basically, it's possible that "Fools" only need to see Philemon's butterfly form in order to unlock their abilities, as opposed to needing him to give a personal talk like in the first two (three?) games. -word of god-
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Fool and Wild card are two different things the latter is the ability to change personas the former is personality and story. The Fool arcana is about being freshed faced / newby to a situation a chance to change into anything.

The reason why the MCs are good at every arcana is because the fool is compatible with everyone. In P1 & P2 the fool personas were "great" with everyone as well, the only arcana to do so and part of the reason why fool cards were so rare.

Incoming wall of text.

Spoilers, probably. Nothing too huge, mostly P2 spoilers.

Wild Card = the ability to turn bonds into power.
Fool Arcana = emptiness, limitless potential, the start of a journey, naivety, etc.

The reason why P3 and P4 MCs were of the Fool Arcana was because of their malleable personalities, and because their respective journeys were centered around them. It's reasonably safe to assume that their Fool Arcana and the limitless potential therein were the reasons that their journeys in a sense revolved around them. Persona-users are strong, but it takes a special breed to attain the abilities that P3 and P4 MCs achieve in the end.


In P1 the MC is considered to be of the Emperor Arcana because he is viewed as a leader. Maya is of the Moon in P2 because she is in fact more troubled than she seems, and uses a cheerful personality to cover that up. Tatsuya is of the Sun because over the course of the game he achieves happiness and fulfillment with his friends, and realizes what he wants to do with his life. These characters are obviously not of the Fool Arcana (though they have Great compatibility with it), yet they can change Personas. That's because changing Personas has absolutely nothing to do with being a Fool or a Wild Card. Absolutely nothing. You could be a Wild Card and not know it because all your Social Links are pretty much wasted if you have no access to the Velvet Room.

I'm surprised that people seem to forget about or neglect to mention the Velvet Room being necessary to summon new Personas (barring a great resolution in the heart). P1 and P2's entire cast were guests in the Velvet Room, and thus had access to the Persona summoning services.
In P3 and P4, the MCs are the only characters who seem to be allowed into the Velvet Room. Thus, they're the only ones who can fuse new Personas. It's not too big of a stretch to assume that Junpei could change Personas, provided he went to the Velvet Room and got some.

Story-wise I must admit I don't see why Philemon or Igor or whoever makes this decision couldn't just give the other characters access. Reaching out to the truth would have been a little easier if Chie could use Futsuninushi, or Kanji could use Odin.
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