Marriage and offspring choices, need critical eyes for help. (Spoilers)

#11KevinCCPosted 2/21/2013 8:56:29 AM
I personally don't care about "good stats" or such, as infinite Second Seals exist for infinite leveling.

I like the idea of Laurent and Gerome getting Demoiselle, though - it's a skill I associate with Maribelle, but allowing them to power up Chrom, Robin M (or Morgan M), and each other is never a bad thing.
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#12ArcherQPosted 2/21/2013 9:18:59 AM
Not sure about OliviaxKellam. Gregor, Lon'qu, Vaike, *physical offense minded male* would be better due to lack of speed reduction.

Any child of the Avatar will has access to every class in their gender and tactician, so the MU should only pass down gender specific skills because the children can learn ,<italic>everything else</italic>. So male MU should pass one of Counter, Axefaire, Rally Strength, etc. on to Noire and Morgan.

Also, Yarne does not inherit the Wyv Knight classes from Panne for some strange reason. I know you have her passing down Deliverer, but Sword Breaker or Lancebreaker might be better unless you plan on having Yarne leading a pair-up all of the time. Personally I like Swordbreaker/Berserker or lancebreaker/swordmaster myself, but it's less important for a Hero due to multiple weapon access.

Donnel should either pass on Counter/Rally Strength(because Nah can't be a Warrior) or Aptitude. Nah can learn Sol naturally with Donnel as a father, but can't learn counter(Great tanking potential), Rally strength(if you want a rallyer), or aptitude(increases stats so quickly and you don't have to go through the crappy villager class to get it).

Not sure about the others, only made cursory glances and didn't look at anything that didn't set off any immediate alarms.
#13QuianXianPosted 2/21/2013 9:50:39 AM
Chrom + Olivia -> Lucina got Aether and a bit grind lv for Galeforce Inigo got Rightful king
Avatar + Lucina -> Morgan got Aether grind again for galeforce
#14Muppet Vader(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 1:11:12 PM(edited)
azn_boy150 posted...

Why OliviaxKellam? Counter productive stats. Same thing with MaribellexFrederick and MirielxVaike.

ArcherQ posted...
Not sure about OliviaxKellam. Gregor, Lon'qu, Vaike, *physical offense minded male* would be better due to lack of speed reduction.


I chose Olivia + Kellam for a few reasons.

Inigo ends up with access to these classes and skills when Olivia pairs up with Kellam

Knight: Defence +2, Indoor Fighter
General: Rally Defence, Pavise
Great Knight: Luna, Dual Guard+
Thief: Locktouch, Movement +1
Assassin: Lethality, Pass
Trickster: Lucky Seven, Acrobat
Priest: Miracle, Healtouch
War Monk: Rally Luck, Renewal
Sage: Rally: Magic, Tomefaire
Mercenary: Armsthrift, Patience
Hero: Sol, Axebreaker
Bow Knight: Rally Skill, Bowbreaker
Myrmidon: Avoid +10, Vantage
Swordmaster: Astra, Swordfaire
Barbarian: Despoil, Gamble
Berserker: Wrath, Axefaire
Warrior: Rally Strength, Counter

As well as inheriting Galeforce.

It makes him pretty versitile and really tough to kill.

And his modified stats come out looking like this:

Str +2, Mag +1, Skl +3, Spd +0, Lck -1, Def +3, Res +0

Granted there's no 4 or 5s there, but there's also no negative 2's or negative 3's either. And the only negative attribute he ends up with is Luck at -1. (No speed reduction, but no acceleration either.)

In theory, he's not the best at anything but in practice his growth surpasses most other combinations while at the same time being able to fill any role at any time.

Fredrick + Maribelle actually has pretty good stats for Brady, but I suppose for class versitilty Gregor might be a better match.

Laurent is a lost cause, in my opinion, when weighed against the other children. Any suggestions to make him more potent?
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#15RedMageKirbyPosted 2/21/2013 1:17:48 PM(edited)
Critical Eyes: http://youtu.be/DM3D_Egf59E?t=1m17s

Also, I'd suggest either Libra or Henry for Brady over Fred. Brady is better suited to be a mage, and both of them give him Dark Mage, so unless you're set on a supportive Paladin Brady, Fred doesn't offer that many advantages.

For Laurent, the best you can really do is make Ricken his father and take advantage of his +6 Magic cap. He's pretty much the magical equivalent of Gerome.
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#16Muppet Vader(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 1:35:00 PM(edited)
ArcherQ posted...

Donnel should either pass on Counter/Rally Strength(because Nah can't be a Warrior) or Aptitude. Nah can learn Sol naturally with Donnel as a father, but can't learn counter(Great tanking potential), Rally strength(if you want a rallyer), or aptitude(increases stats so quickly and you don't have to go through the crappy villager class to get it).


This is absolutely right! Wow, how'd I miss that, my last play though I had Nah as a hero for the last six chapters. >.<

RedMageKirby posted...
Critical Eyes: http://youtu.be/DM3D_Egf59E?t=1m17s

Also, I'd suggest either Libra or Henry for Brady over Fred. Brady is better suited to be a mage, and both of them give him Dark Mage, so unless you're set on a supportive Paladin Brady, Fred doesn't offer that many advantages.

For Laurent, the best you can really do is make Ricken his father and take advantage of his +6 Magic cap. He's pretty much the magical equivalent of Gerome.


Actually, I'm thinking Gregor might be a better choice for Brady's father. He ends up with these classes:
Myrmidon
Swordmaster
Assassin
Mercenary
Hero
Bow Knight
Barbarian
Berserker
Warrior
Priest
War Monk
Sage
Cavalier
Paladin
Great Knight
Mage
Sage
Dark Knight

As well as inheriting Galeforce he ends up with these stats, which are respectable if you don't want to go the mage route:

Str +0
Mag +2
Skl +4
Spd +1
Lck +3
Def -1
Res +1

Ricken is something to really consider for Laurent, too. Just not sure if that +6 magic and lack of class choices makes up for the -2 to str and -2 to defense. Hmm...

Oh! And I should have probably mentioned that I intended for Yarne to pair up with Brady most of the time.


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#17Muppet Vader(Topic Creator)Posted 2/21/2013 2:06:24 PM(edited)
Okay, so with all the feed back in mind my new set up looks like this:

Chrom + Sumia
Lucina (Dark Flier) inherits Aether;
Cynthia (Dark Flier) inherits Aether
Str +0, Mag +1, Skl +4, Spd +5, Lck +2, Def -2, Res +1

Lissa + Virion
Owain inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str -1, Mag +3, Skl +2, Spd +3, Lck +2, Def -2, Res +2

Olivia + Kellam
Inigo inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str +2, Mag +1, Skl +3, Spd +0, Lck -1, Def +3, Res +0

Maribelle + Gregor
Brady inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str +0, Mag +2, Skl +4, Spd +1, Lck +3, Def -1, Res +1

Sully + Gaius
Kjelle (Dark Flier) inherits Sol (Hero)
Str +1, Mag -1, Skl +5, Spd +5, Lck -1, Def -1, Res +1

Cordelia + Lon'qu
Severa (Dark Flier/Swordmaster)
Str +2, Mag +0, Skl +6, Spd +6, Lck +0, Def -1, Res -2

Cherche + Stahl
Gerome (Sword Master/Assassin) inherits Demoiselle (Troubadour)
Str +6, Mag +0, Skl +1, Spd +0, Lck -1, Def +5, Res -2

Avatar M + Tharja
Morgan F (Dark Flier) inherits Sol (Hero)

Panne + Frederick
Yarne (SUPER TANKY) inherits Deliverer (Griffon Rider)
Str +5, Mag -2, Skl +5, Spd +2, Lck +0, Def +4, Res +0

Miriel + Vaike
Laurent (Hero/Thief/Assassin) inherits Demoiselle (Troubadour)
Str +2, Mag +2, Skl +3, Spd +3, Lck +0, Def -1, Res -1

Tharja + Avatar M
Noire (Dark Flier) inherits Sol (Hero)

Nowi + Donnel
Nah (Dark Flier) inherits Counter (Warrior)
Str +3, Mag +1, Skl -1, Spd -2, Lck +5, Def +5, Res +2

Looks pretty good to me and I don't have to scrap my current game to make the adjustments!
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#18RealTidesPosted 2/21/2013 10:05:39 PM
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going to use this
#19SuperSaiyanSwagPosted 2/22/2013 2:52:27 PM
I like this set-up, but only thing I'm changing is the pair up with Olivia and Kellam/ Sully and Gaius.

I am going to switch those two sets so that Kjelle can be super tanky.
#20Muppet Vader(Topic Creator)Posted 2/25/2013 3:36:07 PM(edited)
RealTides posted...
tag
going to use this


Cool, I'm glad someone is gonna get some use out of it. I did make some modifications though, that work out better...

SuperSaiyanSwag posted...
I like this set-up, but only thing I'm changing is the pair up with Olivia and Kellam/ Sully and Gaius.

I am going to switch those two sets so that Kjelle can be super tanky.


Here's what you get if you switch them around:

Olivia gives Inigo these classes and abilities regardless of the father:
Galeforce (inherited)
Mercenary: Armsthrift, Patience
Hero: Sol, Axebreaker
Bow Knight: Rally Skill, Bowbreaker
Myrmidon: Avoid +10, Vantage
Swordmaster: Astra, Swordfaire
Assassin: Lethality, Pass
Barbarian: Despoil, Gamble
Berserker: Wrath, Axefaire
Warrior: Rally Strength, Counter

Oliva + Kellam
Knight: Defence +2, Indoor Fighter
General: Rally Defence, Pavise
Great Knight: Luna, Dual Guard+
Thief: Locktouch, Movement +1
Trickster: Lucky Seven, Acrobat

Priest: Miracle, Healtouch
War Monk: Rally Luck, Renewal
Sage: Rally Magic, Tomefaire

Oliva + Gaius
Fighter: HP +5, Zeal
Thief, Locktouch, Movement +1
Trickster, Lucky Seven, Acrobat


So, you only gain access to the Fighter class by switching it to Gaius and you lose out on some very powerful and diverse alternatives.

Here's how their stats compair:

Kellam / Gaius
Str +2 / Str +2
Mag +1 / Mag + 0
Skl +3 / Skl +4
Spd +0 / Spd +4
Lck -1/ Lck -1
Def +3 / Def - 1
Res +0 / Res + 0

If you switch Sully and Gaius to Sully and Kellam, you end up with one less child that can use Galeforce. As well as losing out on Sol (hp regen on strike) from Gaius. and their stats look like this:

Kellam / Gaius
Str +1 / Str + 1
Mag +0 / Mag + 1
Skl +4 / Skill + 5
Spd +1 / Spd + 5
Lck -1 / Lck - 1
Def +3 /Def -1
Res +1 / Res + 1

Kjelle is actually more tanky because of the options left to her via Gaius, besides: No Galeforce, no Sol, no thank you. :D

I did make some changes to my lay out, though.

Chrom + Sumia
Lucina (Dark Flier) inherits Aether;
Cynthia (Dark Flier) inherits Aether:
Str +0, Mag +1, Skl +4, Spd +5, Lck +2, Def -2, Res +1

Lissa + Virion
Owain inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str -1, Mag +3, Skl +2, Spd +3, Lck +2, Def -2, Res +2

Olivia + Kellam
Inigo inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str +2, Mag +1, Skl +3, Spd +0, Lck -1, Def +3, Res +0

Maribelle + Gregor
Brady inherits Galeforce (Dark Flier)
Str +0, Mag +2, Skl +4, Spd +1, Lck +3, Def -1, Res +1

Sully + Gaius
Kjelle (Dark Flier) inherits Sol (Hero)
Str +1, Mag -1, Skl +5, Spd +5, Lck -1, Def -1, Res +1

Cordelia + Lon'qu
Severa (Dark Flier/Swordmaster)
Str +2, Mag +0, Skl +6, Spd +6, Lck +0, Def -1, Res -2

Cherche + Stahl
Gerome (Sword Master/Assassin) inherits Demoiselle (Troubadour)
Str +6, Mag +0, Skl +1, Spd +0, Lck -1, Def +5, Res -2

Avatar M + Tharja
Morgan F (Dark Flier) inherits Counter (Warrior)
Noire (Dark Flier) inherits Sol (Hero)

Panne + Vaike
Yarne (SUPER TANKY) inherits Deliverer (Griffon Rider) and has access to Sol.
Str +6, Mag -2, Skl +4, Spd +5, Lck -1, Def +2, Res -2

Miriel + Ricken <-- Thx to RedMageKirby's advice.
Laurent (Hero/Thief/Assassin) inherits Demoiselle (Troubadour)
Str -2, Mag +6, Skl +2, Spd +2, Lck +2, Def -2, Res +1

Nowi + Donnel
Nah (Dark Flier) inherits Counter (Warrior)
Str +3, Mag +1, Skl -1, Spd -2, Lck +5, Def +5, Res +2

And that, as they say, is that.
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