Let's try and piece together the Future!*spoilers*

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Lynx12
Posted 3/10/2013 12:32:00 PM
On the Nah aging issue, I heard overuse of a Dragonstone actually speeds up aging. Considering the timeline she comes from, overuse would have been extremely likely.
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SazukeEX
(Topic Creator)
Posted 3/10/2013 12:43:35 PM
soma2035 posted...
supershyguy65 posted...
So if one of the supports doesn't make sense, which do?

I'm starting to feel that it is going to be impossible to come up with a definitive timeline for this.


The only two contradictory supports I've seen are Lucina's generic support with her sibling and Owain's generic support with his father. They rule out Chrom x Female MU and Male MU x Lissa respectively. Other than that I haven't really seen any other supports that wouldn't make sense in the context of the future they came from. Male MU x Nowi is also questionable because Nah implies she grew up alone and an outcast. Granted, female Morgan is also a Manakete in that case, so it could just mean both of them were without parents and more or less pushed aside.

There's plenty of pairings that would work though. It's just a few specific cases where the supports seem contradictory.


To be fair, Morgan is he main reason for these contradictions due to Morgan being the possible child or nearly everyone. Outside Morgan the pairings work well so Chrom x FeMU can easily exist just as much as Olivia x Chrom.

They really pushed the Alternate Timelines thing hard with this so anything that can be contradictory can just be explained as it happening in an alternate timeline that's very similar but different to the one Lucina comes from.
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soma2035
Posted 3/10/2013 2:45:44 PM
SazukeEX posted...
soma2035 posted...
supershyguy65 posted...
So if one of the supports doesn't make sense, which do?

I'm starting to feel that it is going to be impossible to come up with a definitive timeline for this.


The only two contradictory supports I've seen are Lucina's generic support with her sibling and Owain's generic support with his father. They rule out Chrom x Female MU and Male MU x Lissa respectively. Other than that I haven't really seen any other supports that wouldn't make sense in the context of the future they came from. Male MU x Nowi is also questionable because Nah implies she grew up alone and an outcast. Granted, female Morgan is also a Manakete in that case, so it could just mean both of them were without parents and more or less pushed aside.

There's plenty of pairings that would work though. It's just a few specific cases where the supports seem contradictory.


To be fair, Morgan is he main reason for these contradictions due to Morgan being the possible child or nearly everyone. Outside Morgan the pairings work well so Chrom x FeMU can easily exist just as much as Olivia x Chrom.

They really pushed the Alternate Timelines thing hard with this so anything that can be contradictory can just be explained as it happening in an alternate timeline that's very similar but different to the one Lucina comes from.


Not really... Olivia is just a matter of timing / Ferox's actions in the alternate timeline where Lucina comes from, but we already knew that Ferox and Elisse interacted differently, because Lucina interfered with it in this timeline.

The reason Chrom x FeMU arguably doesn't exist is that Morgan states he doesn't remember anyone but his mother, gets only the faintest recollections of his father in their support, and then acts perfectly normally with his sister that he supposedly doesn't remember... even fondly recalling past times with his father. There's no reason Morgan would suddenly randomly remember his sister, but not comment on that either.
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Nextgrandcross
Posted 3/10/2013 3:08:05 PM
Things would've gone heck of a lot differently if Lucina didn't participate in the Ferox Tournament and took Lon'qu's place.

My guess that in the future timeline, Lon'qu likely bested Chrom, thus they didn't gain any support from ferox and would also be one of the reasons why the Plegian War lasted for a LONG time.

Also since Emmeryn was already assassinated in the castle, She would've never got to give her speech that made the Plegian's reconsider their actions, thus the Plegians battle with 100% of their might, even soldiers like Mustafa would've been heck of alot more bloodthirsty and wouldn't have held back.

I would think Basilio didn't decided to aid the Ylissians till either very late in the war, or didn't at all till Valm came a knocking. Thus I highly doubt Chrom would've even met Olivia at all.


Oh yes, Can't forget about that serious injury Chrom got from the Assassin in the Ylsstol Castle Gardens, that also would've played a hand in the Plegian and Valm wars, also likely leading up to the Avatars betrayal. The Avatars lighting dagger thingy likely re-opened Chrom's old wounds, and death for him was imminate.
prince_leo
Posted 3/10/2013 3:14:02 PM
Nah doesn't have an aging issue. She, like almost every other mythical creature in fiction, aged normally until reaching a point where the immortality kicks in.
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Sentinel07
Posted 3/10/2013 3:30:50 PM
Lynx12 posted...
On the Nah aging issue, I heard overuse of a Dragonstone actually speeds up aging. Considering the timeline she comes from, overuse would have been extremely likely.


Really? I think that is the first time I've heard of that. Does it say that somewhere?
Nextgrandcross
Posted 3/10/2013 3:45:37 PM
Sentinel07 posted...
Lynx12 posted...
On the Nah aging issue, I heard overuse of a Dragonstone actually speeds up aging. Considering the timeline she comes from, overuse would have been extremely likely.


Really? I think that is the first time I've heard of that. Does it say that somewhere?


I'm curious to this too, cause Nowhere in Tiki and Nah's Support is this ever stated.
Perfect Z
Posted 3/10/2013 3:48:40 PM

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As I recall, one of the last DLCs is heavily implied to be the future where Morgan came from.


I'm really not sure about that. There are two Morgans in that future, and they chose to stick by the Avatar even after they become Grima. They also just leave in the end of their stages, rather than getting time warped or something.
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Limau
Posted 3/10/2013 5:44:00 PM
That's a pretty good timeline, I think! Unfortunately, there are just some things we can't know for certain:

1. What happened early on with Ferox (we don't know Lucina's intentions for beating Lon'qu and fighting Chrom). All we know is they joined at a point when it's possible for Chrom to marry Olivia and have children.

2. What really happened in the Walhart arc. For all we know, Yen'fay could have refused to join Walhart's army, causing Say'ri to die. Or he joined but she died anyway, or they joined together but she died, or only she joined and died, etc. Guess we'll see if the Spotpass elaborates. Basilio could have been defeated by Walhart anytime, really, although I'm inclined to agree he confronted Walhart for stalling purposes since Lucina said the future tries to find a way back to its original course. We don't know for sure, though.

The only conflicting sentence in the Morgan/Lucina sibling support is when he says "In the future, you always kept it by your side," unless he remembers fragments. He also says, "I've never fought with it before--at least as far as I can remember" so he still has amnesia. Thus.. a bit contradictory? Sure, but I don't think it completely dismisses the possibility of MU/Chrom. Dunno about MU!Owain though but use your imagination. There's gotta be a way around it. (plus devs just overlooked it)

As for Nah, I think she aged appropriately if you compare her to (PoR/RD spoilers) Soren, who was half-dragon laguz. He was Ashnard's and Almedha's son and seemed to age like Nah.
SazukeEX
(Topic Creator)
Posted 3/10/2013 5:52:29 PM
soma2035 posted...
SazukeEX posted...
soma2035 posted...
supershyguy65 posted...
So if one of the supports doesn't make sense, which do?

I'm starting to feel that it is going to be impossible to come up with a definitive timeline for this.


The only two contradictory supports I've seen are Lucina's generic support with her sibling and Owain's generic support with his father. They rule out Chrom x Female MU and Male MU x Lissa respectively. Other than that I haven't really seen any other supports that wouldn't make sense in the context of the future they came from. Male MU x Nowi is also questionable because Nah implies she grew up alone and an outcast. Granted, female Morgan is also a Manakete in that case, so it could just mean both of them were without parents and more or less pushed aside.

There's plenty of pairings that would work though. It's just a few specific cases where the supports seem contradictory.


To be fair, Morgan is he main reason for these contradictions due to Morgan being the possible child or nearly everyone. Outside Morgan the pairings work well so Chrom x FeMU can easily exist just as much as Olivia x Chrom.

They really pushed the Alternate Timelines thing hard with this so anything that can be contradictory can just be explained as it happening in an alternate timeline that's very similar but different to the one Lucina comes from.


Not really... Olivia is just a matter of timing / Ferox's actions in the alternate timeline where Lucina comes from, but we already knew that Ferox and Elisse interacted differently, because Lucina interfered with it in this timeline.

The reason Chrom x FeMU arguably doesn't exist is that Morgan states he doesn't remember anyone but his mother, gets only the faintest recollections of his father in their support, and then acts perfectly normally with his sister that he supposedly doesn't remember... even fondly recalling past times with his father. There's no reason Morgan would suddenly randomly remember his sister, but not comment on that either.


Not really because Morgan is like that with all Father supports and sibling supports. Because Morgan can be the child of anyone it makes it hard to place him in the same timeline as Lucina, it's easier to explain that this Morgan came from another Timeline if they're a 3rd Generation and comes from the same timeline if they're 2nd Generation and married someone that had to live and join Crom.

I mean, it's highly doubtful any of the Paralogue characters join Chrom so that rules them all out as parents for Morgan in Lucina's time. Especially since the Risen cannot be around until after Grima appears. The only reason the Risen flooded the current timeline is because they followed Grima to the past and Grima was active even if weakened.
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