Rate the Skill, Chapter 31: Hit Rate +20 and Bowfaire

#1guedesbrawlPosted 3/19/2013 6:04:25 PM(edited)
First of all, sorry for my tardiness. RL issues made things hard for me, and long story short, I couldn't get P2 over with.

Sol got a really obvious buff to S rank (54 votes for S), while Armsthrift really fought to get away from B rank. T'was really close, but...it's an A rank skill now.

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I am really disappointed with that huge argument in the last topic.

Seriously, both sides were using clear arguments and both sides refused to understand what the other was saying. It was depressing to read all that, and only 2 people really were okay in in that jumbled mess: Paperblade Batman sorry azn, i couldn't resist and the first person to point out West's casino logic (excuse my forgetfulness).

Oh, and that Veteran argument, GAWDS, that Veteran argument... When almost everybody was giving Sol a S rank and people were complaining about Veteran being bad because of a possible RGN screw of all things, in MU of all characters...at least i like my face's imprint on my desk. I don't.

The immaturity of most involved was specially unsettling. At least this is over with now. As a few votes like S/C and S/A were disconsidered. if they weren't something easily averaged like S/B or B/D...tsk.

A few other things: There was a nomination for Lethality and two for Veteran...they didn't count because it WAS a paralogue. a link for the rules was posted in the OPs, so...Lastly, a S rank vote for Armsthrift was disconsidered because the poster said it was just out of spite. The Sol vote WAS considered, not like it mattered in the long run

In order to fit my comments and the relevant things i am changing the order of certain thing, only for today.

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Characters who can learn Skill +2 and Prescience: Virion, Chrom, Stahl, Ricken, Tharja, Anna, Noire, Lucina, Yen'fay, Avatar, Morgan.

Characters who can inherit the skills and the class required: Cynthia (Chrom, Avatar), Owain, Inigo, Brady, Kjelle, Severa, Gerome, Yarne, Laurent, Nah.

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And here we go!

Hit Rate +20 is very straightforward. It's a cool help, but it really doesn't do anything spectacular, it's a B rank skill in my opinion.

Bowfaire adds +5 Strength as long as the unit is currently equipped with Bows (no magic bows...). It''s a nice bonus, most bow users are fast enough to turn this bonus into +10 Strength...the thing is, Bows got the nerfed by the open areas and general ineffectiveness of dodge tanks on this game. I can only give it a B rank under those circumstances.
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#2guedesbrawl(Topic Creator)Posted 3/19/2013 6:04:07 PM(edited)
-Skill Ranking-

S Rank:
*Aether (Great Lord,Lv5)
*Veteran (Tactician,Lv1)
*Sol (Hero,Lv5)!A
*Galeforce (Dark Flier, Lv15)

A Rank:
*Rightful King (Great Lord,Lv15)
*Ignis (Grandmaster,Lv5)
*Rally Spectrum (Grandmaster,Lv15)
*Armsthrift (Mercenary,Lv1)!S
*Astra (Swordmaster,Lv5)
*Aegis (Paladin,Lv15)
*Luna (Great Knight,Lv5)
*Dual Guard+ (Great Knight,Lv15)
*Pavise (General,Lv15)
*Aptitude (Villager,Lv1)
*Swordbreaker (Wyvern Lord,Lv15)
*Deliverer (Griffon Rider,Lv5)

B Rank:
*Dual Strike+ (Lord,Lv1)
*Axebreaker (Hero,Lv15)
*Vantage (Myrmidon,Lv10)
*Swordfaire (Swordmaster,Lv15)
*Locktouch (Thief,Lv1)
*Movement +1 (Thief,Lv10)
*Lethality (Assassin,Lv5)
*Lucky Seven (Trickster,Lv5)
*Special Dance (Dancer,Lv15)
*Rally Speed (Falcon Knight,Lv5)
*Lancefaire (Falcon Knight,Lv15)
*Rally Movement (Dark Flier, Lv5)
*Rally Strength (Warrior,Lv5)
*Counter (Warrior,Lv15)
*Wrath (Berserker,Lv5)
*Axefaire (Berserker,Lv15)
*Lancebreaker (Griffon Rider,Lv15)

C Rank:
*Solidarity (Tactician,Lv10)
*Patience (Mercenary,Lv10)
*Avoid +10 (Myrmidon,Lv1)
*Pass (Assassin,Lv15)
*Acrobat (Trickster,Lv15)
*Discipline (Cavalier,Lv1)
*Defender (Paladin,Lv5)
*Defense +2 (Knight,Lv1)
*Rally Defense (General,Lv5)
*Speed + 2 (Pegasus Knight,Lv1)
*Relief (Pegasus Knight,Lv10)
*Underdog (Villager,Lv1)
*HP +5 (Fighter,Lv1)
*Zeal (Fighter,Lv10)
*Despoil (Barbarian,Lv1)
*Gamble (Barbarian,Lv10)
*Strength +2 (Wyvern Rider,Lv1)
*Quick Burn (Wyvern Lord,Lv5)

D Rank:
*Charm (Lord,Lv10)
*Luck +4 (Dancer,Lv1)
*Outdoor Fighter (Cavalier,Lv10)
*Indoor Fighter (Knight,Lv10)
*Tantivity (Wyvern Rider,Lv10)
*Skill +2 (Archer,Lv10)
*Prescience (Archer,Lv10)

-Nominations-

Lethality: 9/10
Vantage: 7/10
Astra: 5/10
Ignis: 3/10
Despoil: 3/10
Rally Spectrum: 2/10

Since there was enough time between the chapters...Quick Burn, Swordbreaker, Deliverer and Lancebreaker can all be nominated as of today.

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#3PKRockin531Posted 3/19/2013 6:08:46 PM(edited)
D rank skills because no one wants to be a level 5 Sniper, nor does anyone want to be a level 15 Sniper. Bows are the worst weapon type, and hit issues are nonexistant on anyone but like, Tharja(who you are clearly making worse just by making her an Archer/Sniper and taking away Nosferatu)

You could get to level 5 or level 15 ANYTHING and get better skills/waste your time less than these 2 skills.

Being equipped with Bows for Bowfaire means you have no Enemy Phase, so you're as worthless as the class itself. Hit +20 is basically Skill +10 except without the small point Skill +2 had(small boost to skill procs)

And I don't think the only good class with Bows, Assassin, even want Bowfaire and definitely not Hit+20 since they have the highest Skill cap anyways.
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#4McFastlyPosted 3/19/2013 6:08:10 PM
Hit Rate +20 get a B. It's good for helping get past -breaker skills (Though Bow user's have Innes' Bow, with it's ridiculous 115 hit (140 with forged max accuracy)

Bowfaire can also have a B. As you said, the maps are really open, no real chokepoints for Snipers to hide behind Generals or whoever's tanking. I only recall that one fort crammed between two those two mountains in Dead King's Lament. Still useful for extra oomph. I miss the Bright Bow we never got.
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#5heavylobsterguyPosted 3/19/2013 6:08:51 PM
Hit Rate +20 gets a C because I can only imagine this being useful for Berserkers or Sorcerers. Snipers sure as hell don't need it.

Bowfaire gets a C because only Snipers would want it and Snipers suck. Other classes that can use bows only use them to shoot down fliers and this skill doesn't help much. Very rarely would a unit have a bow equipped for the majority of a fight.
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#6MajorasMask9Posted 3/19/2013 6:32:21 PM
How did you calculate Armshrift getting an A rank? I remember someone pointing out mid-thread that it was getting an S rank by a landslide, and a quick scan through the posts (even when counting unclear votes against the skill), it clearly had far more S votes.

Hit Rate +20: B
Bowfaire: C

Nominate: Vantage
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#7TyrantKnightPosted 3/19/2013 6:42:05 PM
Hit +20 - C. Not very useful on snipers since they hardly ever miss regardless, but on other classes it does have some use. Still, there are better skills for those other classes.
Bowfaire - B. There is no reason not to use this if you run a Sniper.

Nominate Lethality just because
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#8NidtendofreakPosted 3/19/2013 7:00:43 PM
Considering my S/A or A/S (w/e order it was in) was for the two skills in the order they appeared in the topic title like I always do, they better not had been discounted due to confusion. -_-

B/C

Its a bow. The only reason you should be using a bow is for effective damage against fliers, in which case the Bowfaire bonus is overkill.
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#9EnjuPosted 3/19/2013 7:02:59 PM
hit rate +20 i like because it affect across classes and it's useful for countering the break skills so

hit rate +20 = B

bowfaire, while i like the faire skills in general for giving a damage boost there is a problem in both that it takes so long to learn and that archers really are kind of a weaker class in this game due to its design ,yeah, i don't find the skill quite as useful

bowfaire = D
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#10guedesbrawl(Topic Creator)Posted 3/19/2013 7:03:47 PM
MajorasMask9 posted...
How did you calculate Armshrift getting an A rank? I remember someone pointing out mid-thread that it was getting an S rank by a landslide, and a quick scan through the posts (even when counting unclear votes against the skill), it clearly had far more S votes.

Hit Rate +20: B
Bowfaire: C

Nominate: Vantage


enough votes from other ranks brought it down to A, almost to B. There were more S rank votes than others, though; and i can see it getting a clean A by midtopic.

go there and calculate all normal votes if you want.
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