So what's with all the Lucina hate around here *spoilers*

#51antipousPosted 3/20/2013 7:49:33 PM
Fwahm posted...
antipous posted...
Fwahm posted...
RDS1 posted...
Call my crazy, but I don't see why a character's wardrobe should impact your opinion of her. Whether she's modestly dressed or scantily dressed, in the end, you're still judging her based on her physical appearance. Doesn't that make you just as shallow as people who like female characters with revealing outfits?


No, because her clothes are an aspect of her physical appearance that she consciously controls. If she shows good judgment in the clothes she wears for battle or everyday use, that reflects well on her.

I certainly don't initially see characters who wear open midriffs outside in winter, or high heels in situations where one can expect to have to exercise as paragons of intelligence, for example.


Actually, her clothes are determined by the people who designed her, not by the conscious choices of a fictional character.

And again, it's silly to judge a person's intelligence based on what they wear. I wear heels as often as I can possibly get away with it (oftentimes in situations that don't necessarily make it practical), and I would hope that other people don't judge my character or ability to think for myself because of it.


That's like saying a character's actions are determined by the people in charge of plot or characterization, and not their intelligence. You have to give the ownership of their own choices, or else you can't discuss them at all.

Also, if you wore high heels in times like in this game, where you're fighting a war, then hell yes I would judge your intelligence based on that. That could very easily get you killed.


The first part was supposed to be a little snarky/sarcastic, apologies if it didn't come off that way.

Ok, let's put it this way. Regardless of how you personally perceive Lucina, there is no reason that her baring more of her skin would make her a lesser character. Showing off cleavage or wearing a skirt does not reflect on her intelligence or character, nor would they (unlike heels, potentially) hamper her abilities in combat in any way. And theoretically, if the characters wanted to make the most intelligent choice in regards to warfare practicalities, they would all be wearing armor of some sort for the added protection.
#52Jstretch19Posted 3/20/2013 7:55:07 PM
PKRockin531 posted...
I'm not saying Celice doesn't deserve the praise he gets by the end of the game, I'm saying the people changed their tune way too fast after Celice liberated a small insignificant part of Isaac and got a following in basically minutes. Although that comes from the Lopt dudes being that bad. He's still a bit of a Sue, taking down the Swanchika guy in the first steps of his journey(that Dannan guy had Swanchika right? It's been awhile since I played) Lucina getting instant praise "You're the daughter of Chrom and instantly inspire everyone in battle!" I find is more unrealistic, since Celice was carrying the torch, but Chrom was still around in Lucina's case.


Danan doesn't have the Swanchika, and Celice was not only the son of Sigurd, he was also the grandson of Prince Kurth.

Also, I don't think anyone was outright praising Lucina, they just held her in a high regard since her father was Chrom, not to mention that she was a powerful swordsman in her own right, and she was more or less the leader of her own time.
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#53EvenSpoonierPosted 3/20/2013 7:57:16 PM
RDS1 posted...
Call my crazy, but I don't see why a character's wardrobe should impact your opinion of her. Whether she's modestly dressed or scantily dressed, in the end, you're still judging her based on her physical appearance. Doesn't that make you just as shallow as people who like female characters with revealing outfits?

What it makes you is human. We all do this to varying degrees: if recent studies are to be believed, even the so-called "male gaze" isn't as particular to males as the people who coined the term wanted to believe.

There's certainly room to argue whether or it's good or bad. But there's no denying that it happens, and until someone figures out how to rewire basic human instincts, it will continue to happen. You can curse this in vain, or you can revel in it like a fratboy, or you can learn from it. Whatever you decide.
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#54RDS1Posted 3/20/2013 8:57:03 PM
EvenSpoonier posted...
RDS1 posted...
Call my crazy, but I don't see why a character's wardrobe should impact your opinion of her. Whether she's modestly dressed or scantily dressed, in the end, you're still judging her based on her physical appearance. Doesn't that make you just as shallow as people who like female characters with revealing outfits?

What it makes you is human. We all do this to varying degrees: if recent studies are to be believed, even the so-called "male gaze" isn't as particular to males as the people who coined the term wanted to believe.

There's certainly room to argue whether or it's good or bad. But there's no denying that it happens, and until someone figures out how to rewire basic human instincts, it will continue to happen. You can curse this in vain, or you can revel in it like a fratboy, or you can learn from it. Whatever you decide.


Actually, I meant that part in reference to that person who was talking about "valuing modesty and chastity" as though it made him/her superior.
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