unless you are going for a gen 3 morgan, these are THE best marriages.

#11Jstretch19Posted 4/24/2013 8:34:01 AM
sumia!lucina - galeforce, better mods than olivia, canon pairing, gets both pavise and aegis


Stopped reading right there. The better mother depend on whether or not you're going for an offensive or defensive Lucina. The canon argument is irrelevant in a topic that's discussing optimal pairings.
#12Tatakai-No-Kami(Topic Creator)Posted 4/24/2013 8:34:18 AM
well, lucina cant get armsthrift, so shes stuck with parallel falchion basically.

however, lances like spear, brave lance, and silver lance are buyable and can be forged continuously. the only sword that gives 1-2 range and is not legendary is levin sword, and that uses magic instead of strength.
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#13Jstretch19Posted 4/24/2013 8:36:01 AM
Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
however, lances like spear, brave lance, and silver lance are buyable and can be forged continuously. the only sword that gives 1-2 range and is not legendary is levin sword, and that uses magic instead of strength.


If you're going for best damage output Brave weapons are the best.
#14Tatakai-No-Kami(Topic Creator)Posted 4/24/2013 8:38:14 AM
Jstretch19 posted...
Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
however, lances like spear, brave lance, and silver lance are buyable and can be forged continuously. the only sword that gives 1-2 range and is not legendary is levin sword, and that uses magic instead of strength.


If you're going for best damage output Brave weapons are the best.


correct. lances are brave, and also spears give 1-2 range. in this particular case, if you think about it, lances are superior for lucina.
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#15bearclaw13Posted 4/24/2013 8:38:15 AM
I don't know where to start..
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#16Tatakai-No-Kami(Topic Creator)Posted 4/24/2013 8:39:31 AM
Jstretch19 posted...
sumia!lucina - galeforce, better mods than olivia, canon pairing, gets both pavise and aegis


Stopped reading right there. The better mother depend on whether or not you're going for an offensive or defensive Lucina. The canon argument is irrelevant in a topic that's discussing optimal pairings.


the difference is that sumia can still give you an offensive lucina AND a defensive lucina. olivia can only do one.

also, +2 speed > +2 strength
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#17NanayaSRebornPosted 4/24/2013 8:48:57 AM(edited)
Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
well, lucina cant get armsthrift, so shes stuck with parallel falchion basically.

That's why you run Swordfaire instead of Lancefaire lol.

Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
however, lances like spear, brave lance, and silver lance are buyable and can be forged continuously.

Same logic applies to swords.

Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
the only sword that gives 1-2 range and is not legendary is levin sword, and that uses magic instead of strength.

Olivia!Lucina can also use lances.

Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
2 speed > +2 strength

Why would you even need that extra speed in most cases?
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#18Tatakai-No-Kami(Topic Creator)Posted 4/24/2013 8:42:11 AM
NanayaSReborn posted...
Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
well, lucina cant get armsthrift, so shes stuck with parallel falchion basically.

That's why you run Swordfaire instead of Lancefaire lol.

Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
however, lances like spear, brave lance, and silver lance are buyable and can be forged continuously.

Same logic applies to swords.

Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
the only sword that gives 1-2 range and is not legendary is levin sword, and that uses magic instead of strength.

Olivia!Lucina can also use lances.


my point though was that you arent going to use both swordfaire AND lancefaire. you only need one, and either one can work fine for lucina.
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#19bearclaw13Posted 4/24/2013 8:42:31 AM
Tatakai-No-Kami posted...
Jstretch19 posted...
sumia!lucina - galeforce, better mods than olivia, canon pairing, gets both pavise and aegis


Stopped reading right there. The better mother depend on whether or not you're going for an offensive or defensive Lucina. The canon argument is irrelevant in a topic that's discussing optimal pairings.


the difference is that sumia can still give you an offensive lucina AND a defensive lucina. olivia can only do one.

also, +2 speed > +2 strength


Not when you already double everything.
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#20DemiseEndPosted 4/24/2013 8:48:45 AM(edited)
Review because why not

Sumia:

Sumia!Lucina has the highest speed and skill mods from all of Chrom's pairing, and a pretty decent Res mods. On the other hand, Lucina also get the rather undesirable -2 Def(-1 over Olivia), and sadly +0 STR and +1 Mag. Were going to talk about this later.

Class wise, Sumia gives Knight, Priest, and Pegasus Knight line, giving the highly sought after Galeforce, while also giving some notable skills such as Pavise and Tomefaire. A Sumia mothered Lucina is arguably the best abuser of Rightful King, thanks to Aegis Pavise Combo, coupled with Aether.

Theres a lot of build that you can use with this. Theres Tank Lucina with Aegis, Pavise, and a Healing Skills. Lucina make a decent caster with Cellica Gale as a Dark Flier. Dark Flier can't freely use Pair Up though(thanks to 47 speed). Tank Lucina uses Aegis and Pavise on one of her preffered class, preferably Palladin or GL. Great Knight Lucina reach 42 speed, allowing an Assassin Pair Up to reach 75 speed with every buff, however its not good in general thanks to low SKL, low Res, and a lot more issue in general. It has quite a massive STR boost over other version of Lucina though.

While Olivia is usually cited as the best Offensive Lucina, at the cost of -3 SKL(1% chance of Aether, 3% chance of Luna, ,4-5 ACC), and -2 SPD, Sumia!Lucina can run a Palladin set ups with Lancefaire, having a simmilar offensive power as Great Lord Olivia!Lucina, and a superior defensive parameter while still reaching the 45 Speed benchmark for Berserker Pair Up, followed by AS+2 to allow more complex pair up such as using Palladin.

Also, Palladin Lucina with Sumia mom has better Res than Bride Olivia!Lucina and roughtly same defense and more mov, all with horse weakness that did not matter much in DLC levels(unless someone show otherwise), and lack of Rapier that sucks and you can use Braves anyway.

Lucina also does pretty well as an Archer with this set ups, with 45 Speed and Galeforce.

Overall, Sumia is considered the second best Lucina(but not Cynthia) for a good reason. She offers versatility and defense over Olivia's more offensive approach, thanks to the extra speed freeing some slots from AS+2, and her mixed class sets. Definitely a pairing that worth a consideration

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Olivia:
Olivia basically gives a Superior Clone of Chrom, having a superior stats in every area, except Def and Res. 3 SKL and 3 SPD is enough to do the job, and 2 STR basically translates into “best Physical Lucina forever and ever”

Class sets wise, Olivia gives Myrmiddon and Pegasus, giving Galeforce and Sword/Lancefaire. Also Vantage. Im going to mention Rightful King + Lethality just because, I mean you can kill easilly without Lethality.

Lets keep it short, Olivia wins Physical offense anytime of the day, its simply a matter of class choice. Great Lord has Sword Acess and durability. Assassin has Bow and extremely high Skill. Bride is basically Swordless Great Lord with Tomes and Bows(and with 42 STR with Lance and same Mag, its basically has the same parameter as Sumia!Palladin Lucina. Take that Sumia). The speed for most of the offensive class happen to be enough to ignore AS+2 for most of the sets(AS+2 Palladin missed one point before reaching 75 speed with buff and Berserker Pair Up)

Overall, its not that interesting to discuss this pairing now, because everything has already been said before. Olivia is the best for Physical Great Lord Lucina, has amazing caps, and skill acess particularly Vantage. Think Sully, except instead of Wyvern, you get Galeforce and an extra STR no matter how little it worth. Its considered the best, and also the hardest of the pair to get, and for good reason.
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