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#51McTCMPosted 5/7/2013 6:48:34 AM
DemiseEnd posted...
Chrom is a better supporter than Lucy

And the skillset are more like this



Lucy/Great Lord- Vantage, Aether, Galeforce, Rightful King, Aegis/Procs
Chrom/Palladin - DS+, DG+, Hit Rate+20, Agressor, Limit Break


Why is Lucy's set different from Chrom's?

Lucina can go Dark Flier for Magic support, great Lord, Paladin or assassin(!Olivia) for physical. Depending on your needs.
With Ds/DG/LB/ sword/lance faire
She is the best supporter.
Iirc she can hit 100% ds with a sage.
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#52DemiseEndPosted 5/7/2013 6:55:45 AM
Lucy is a main unit, and arguably better than Chrom because she has better main unit skills.

If you insist to run Lucy as GL, thats like the best skillset for the thing

If you go DF you can run

Aether, RFK, Galeforce, Limit Break, Vantage



Also for a light calculation on Dual Strikes
Note that Dual skills does not stack, because otherwise, were going to run DG+ x2

(40 + 40):4 = 20(SKL sum/4)
50(A Sup)
+10 DS+
= 80

80% is extremely reliable.

Its going into 90% area with Rally and Limit Break factored in
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#53DemiseEndPosted 5/7/2013 6:57:00 AM
Also no Galeforce on a supporter unit who actually have Galeforce is a travesty

Theres a reason why the best gen 1 supporter is Sumia instead of Frederick and Stahl
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#54UryvichkPosted 5/7/2013 7:12:12 AM
McTCM posted...
Why is Lucy's set different from Chrom's?

Demise has somewhat weak arguments, but this is actually a debatable issue. Chrom has the following things Lucina does have:

1) Paladin class.
2) Dual Attack+
3) Dual Guard+
4) Hit +20
5) Charm

However, he has these things which Lucina doesn't:

1) Exalted Falchion (15 Mt 10 Crit unbreakable weapon, +3 Mt and +5 Crit on the Parallel)
2) Aggressor

Aggressor and +3 Mt/+5 Crit on his weapon give Chrom a modest offensive edge. If you use a forged Brave Sword or Brave Lance, Chrom's Aggressor is giving him more damage output than Lucina's Swordfaire or Lancefaire (assuming she has either; she only has Swordfaire with Olivia or Avatar as her mother).

Now granted, Aggressor doesn't work on defense, so in theory for a support to a tank unit Lucina might be better since she can use a forged Brave Lance and Lancefaire with basically any mother except Sully/Maiden.

There's also the argument that Lucina supports with the other children and Chrom doesn't, meaning Lucina will have better support ranks with them. Lucina supports with all male children, Cynthia, and Kjelle (and also Tiki). Chrom only supports Lucina and his other child. So if Chrom is supporting anybody, it's going to be Lucina or possibly Chrom!Inigo (his stats do not suit Chrom!Cynthia very well). So that child needs to be a frontliner.

Though again, one can argue it's best to split Lucina and Chrom up since Dual Attack+ doesn't stack and Dual Attacks are OP. I can see it going either way, but you definitely wouldn't have Lucina supporting Chrom. Either Chrom supports Lucina or Chrom supports his other child and Lucina supports her husband.
#55DemiseEndPosted 5/7/2013 7:29:35 AM(edited)
Why is Exalted even become a factor when you have Braves.....

Wyvern? Braves does more damage
Manakete? doesn't exist
Weapon usage? 30 use and Convoy

Also Charm is useless
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#56UryvichkPosted 5/7/2013 7:37:00 AM
DemiseEnd posted...
Why is Exalted even become a factor when you have Braves.....

Wyvern? Braves does more damage
Manakete? doesn't exist
Weapon usage? 30 use and Convoy

Also Charm is useless

Exalted is highly efficient for any circumstance where you don't need Brave weapons, which is basically all circumstances outside of TSON. If you're grinding - and you are - the Exalted Falchion is literally worth its weight in gold, and worth keeping on hand for any kills that don't require a Brave since Chrom does not have Armsthrift. He'll still have a Brave Lance or three on hand, and plenty in the Convoy; that doesn't make the Exalted worthless.

Charm is more valuable than Hit +20 in almost all cases (i.e. other than TSON, and I'd question whether Chrom is missing Dual Attacks that often without it anyway). It's not that valuable, but it's still more valuable in most cases (and is, again, better for grinding).

Your tendency to hyperbole is a bit aggravating. It's like calling Aptitude "worthless." Yes, if you intend to take as much time as is necessary to cap out your units, it's not going to be that valuable, but some people value their time. Others just aren't grinding. You're not looking at every possible situation.
#57DemiseEndPosted 5/7/2013 7:48:38 AM
Eh I always assume absolute min maxing when in threads like these

From what ive heard, 1 G Gaf is like.... 72k which is enough to buy 20 Braves even without forges


Also yeah Aptitude is useless because this game has massive growth anyway. Veteran is better >_>
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#58UryvichkPosted 5/7/2013 7:54:47 AM
Why spend a bunch of money to give Chrom a support weapon when grinding LB3 or R&R3 when you could just have him use the Exalted Falchion and never have to equip him with anything? Most of the time he will paste the enemy if he triggers a Dual Attack. 15 Mt x1 is plenty.

No reason to be frivolous with Braves where they aren't needed, and in most circumstances they aren't needed. Also the Exalted is a perma-Concoction which can be pretty handy if Chrom ever has to swap in for a turn since he probably isn't slotting Aether/RK as a support and thus has no real recovery otherwise. Chrom should only be breaking out his Braves (or a forged Spear or extra Gradivus if you're fancypants) when the Exalted can't do the trick; using him this way, it's kinda like he has "imperfect" Armsthrift.
#59DemiseEndPosted 5/7/2013 7:59:16 AM
I forgot about dat LB3 so.....
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#60SSJDennisPosted 5/7/2013 9:45:05 AM
What is considered more important, Galeforce or Armstrift? Also, if a unit has Vantage, isn't Galeforce absolute?
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